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[AdeleneDawner]

Hey, wait, what are the requirements for a vampire to feed, again?

If I have a vampire, and work out who it is, and chain goblins/elves/whatever up in his room, would that keep my other dwarves safe?

(Purely speculative - I have yet to see a single vampire. )

[Garath]

'invaders' don't sleep, so no luck

[silverskull39]

'invaders' don't sleep, so no luck

unless you capture an fb with a syndrome that causes sleep andchain it up in the same area, anyway. more trouble than its worth, really.

Here's something interesting. I have a bunch of goblin mounts that I captured, tamed, and stuck on chains in 1x2 rooms behind doors. They're losing their training and not being retrained (not on the list any more, either), which might be a bug or might be intentional for captured enemies. (No big deal, I want 'em for their offspring anyway.) Anyway, I have a voracious cave crawler that went wild and knocked down the door to its room. "Oh shit", I thought, "that's going to scare any dwarf who goes past, and there are animals further down that hall that I still want access to." Well, no, actually. I put in an order to replace the door with a wall, thinking that I'd have to fight with the dwarves to get them to do it, but my mason-hauler wasn't bothered by the VCC at all, even with it being just one square away. The VCC didn't attack, either, it just kind of hung out being chill.

Also if you order them to be attacked they can't get off the chain and dwarves can be ordered to back off and the creature will no longer be hostile. I have an animal person chained in the dungeon that my guards occasionally beat down for fun.

Moments like this are why I love this game. Sadistic torture dungeon fortress, here I come!

[NW_Kohaku]

Do elves eat? I think that may pose a problem.

From what I understand an elf would only have to eat if it was tamed. Needless to say you can't tame elves, ipso facto you can imprison them in your fortress for all eternity in wooden cages, dumped in a giant wood stockpile so everything they will see for the rest of their existence is CUT TREES !

fixed that for you

Actually, you can go even further than that:

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No, no, you're forgetting that elves don't just hug trees - they love all living things, and don't buy leather or meat, either.  Therefore, set up your butchery right next to said bridge.  Rain down chunks of cattle and puppies and kitten heads and birds pulled inside out, yet somehow still alive.  Living in a dank pit soaked in blood where it can at any time rain corpse bits would be an existential hell for anyone, but for a lover of all nature, I could imagine nothing but either pure solipsistic denial of reality, or total personality meltdown into a frothing rabid killer who will bludgeon anything they percieve as moving with the arm they gnawed off themselves.

OOH OOH! I thought of something else!

What's the fun in just knowing that somewhere, an elf is crying tears of maddening psychological torment?  We all know it's FAR more enjoyable to actually be there to not just revel in their pain, but point and laugh while you're at it!

This is why I really hope we get some kind of "arena" meeting zone setup, but anyway...

When you make the walls of this place out of glass, set up multiple chairs (and maybe tables), and place your booze stockpiles around this pit.  That way, whenever your dwarves need to get a drink and relax, they can be entertained by the unending torment of the elves on the other side of the glass walls.  You can even make it your dining room, with every table facing the elves's agony, like some kind of high-class restraunt with a massive aquarium.  Only it's an aquarium filled with vomit, rotting carcasses, blood, incest, elf skull totems, dead trees, elf babies being carted away for slaughter, and elves pleading to Gods who are likely laughing at them as hard as your dwarves are.

I'm trying to think of more ways to be even crueller than the stuff I've already thought of... but it's pretty hard.

Here's what else I've got:

Make another chamber near the first one, with all glass windows so that everyone, Dwarf and Elf alike can watch... make it like the "Goblin Repeater" setup, with another door controlled by lever remotely that lets someone into that chamber, then close it behind them.  Preferably one of the children spawned inside the fortress.  The "bait" will just be an exit off of this God-forsaken Hell-hole you have stuck them in, which should be plenty enough.  Now then, instead of just having a repeater that keeps changing something back and forth, put a couple wooden scourge traps in there.

Hopefully, this will allow a child to smell a whiff of that sweet, blissful thing called "freedom" for the first time in their life, and they will make a mad dash for the door.  They will brave any scourging for a chance at escape, and run straight through that thrashing time and again, only to see the door slam shut right in their faces every time, and the pointing and laughing of dwarves on their drink breaks taking bets on how many "laps" they can complete, and their parents watch, crying as the runner slowly gets flogged to death, knowing nothing of peace or dignity for their entire miserable, yet blissfully short lives.

It's crueller to give them hope when we all know that there is none.

... Hmm... I think I might need help from this point on.  As much as it scares me to say it, I think at this point, I'm about evilled out.  Can someone post some good automated torture device ideas?

Then, someone actually built it:

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This is the special elf entrance.


Yes, the room is suspended over magma and has a hole in the ceiling that I'm using as the garbage dump
this picture doesn't have it... but I put some butchers shops to the left of the glass room.

[Daenyth]

Posting to watch.

[Broseph Stalin]

From what I understand an elf would only have to eat if it was tamed. Needless to say you can't tame elves, ipso facto you can imprison them in your fortress for all eternity.

This is false, I kidnapped an elf merchant and had her chained up in the dining hall for the amusement of my dwarves. She immediately went insane, stripped naked, and began dying of thirst.

[Garath]

different issue, regarding merchants. try again with elven siege

[NW_Kohaku]

From what I understand an elf would only have to eat if it was tamed. Needless to say you can't tame elves, ipso facto you can imprison them in your fortress for all eternity.

This is false, I kidnapped an elf merchant and had her chained up in the dining hall for the amusement of my dwarves. She immediately went insane, stripped naked, and began dying of thirst.

Which is still entertaining for your dwarves nonetheless.  I recommend setting up some glass windows, though, just in case she starts trying to throw her own gnawed-off limbs or excrement at your dwarves while they are eating or something. Also, suspend all work and burrow your whole fort in to watch when you think she's about to die... no fair making them work through the best parts!

[Another]

I had captured 2 invaders' mounts and here is the report:

Elven ambush came mounted on horses, camels and war bears. 1 horse and 1 camel were caught into my cage traps. Both of them were named with some elfish names.

My parent civilization had Domesticated level with both horses and camels and they were listed at the bottom of the Animals tab as not tame. I assigned trainers to them and after bringing some prepared reindeer brain roasts to their cages - they were now listed as Domesticated and had (tame) after their names.

Since they are grazers I assigned them to pastures and they were escorted there and released with no problems.

Shortly after they vanished from the Animals tab completely and were found in Units->Other with their original status Invader. Even while the original ambush was active in full force the mounts were not much aggressive. Now the horse and the camel were scaring away other animals from the pasture and civilian dwarves that came to return other animals back but were themselves scared by civilian dwarves. They still had (tame) after their names. Military dwarf came and stabbed them both to death without resistance (hunters would probably continue to ignore them as Invaders).

I was lucky to not had captured the war bears. Carrying them past my trapped entrance, "taming" for immunity to traps and releasing into the main dining hall would have been the ultimate Trojan Horse story.

[Stormfeather]

I also had a similar issue (that I mentioned here or on another thread) with cave crocodiles that I "acquired" from goblin invaders - has *anyone* been able to tame invading mounts long-term, without issues?

[NW_Kohaku]

This might be some sort of lingering loyalty token issue, like why creatures that had killed a dwarf would forever be hostile, even after taming, which was just recently fixed.

It might be worth posting a save and a bug report.

[Kestrel]

Well I captured six war cave dragons in the last siege, but none of them are tameable, despite what it says in the raws.  Thoughts?

[simonthedwarf]

Big question: does dwarf have reliable ways of driving captured sapients insane? Can you make goblins insane?

[Broseph Stalin]

Big question: does dwarf have reliable ways of driving captured sapients insane? Can you make goblins insane?

Merchants inevitably go insane from standing around, I don't think it's possible to drive an invader insane.

[Drawde]

Has anyone chained up some invader mounts and seen if their children can be tamed properly?  Tamed or untamed invaders.