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Author Topic: Science Thread: Taming and Training  (Read 73619 times)

nightwhips

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Re: Science Thread: Taming and Training
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2012, 04:57:08 pm »

New information of the capybaras breeding.

The 2º generation are already tamed.

I had a 3º generation born of domesticated parents. The new puppies born already and totally domesticated. Yeah!  8)

I wonder if you can now embark with them? That's the next question. This will make keep worlds around much more interesting.
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Re: Science Thread: Taming and Training
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2012, 05:14:57 pm »

No one has reported advanced knowledge of creatures yet.  "Knows a few facts" is the furthest anyone has reported.  Once someone has learned a LOT about a specific creature, and they move beyond "knows a few facts" into the next stage, then we can relate some findings.

Another thought: Are larger animals more difficult to tame?  If weasels are easy and eagles are harder, then there might be a size correlation here.

Also, updating OP with knowledge about tamed offspring.

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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2012, 05:40:37 pm »

No one has reported advanced knowledge of creatures yet.  "Knows a few facts" is the furthest anyone has reported.  Once someone has learned a LOT about a specific creature, and they move beyond "knows a few facts" into the next stage, then we can relate some findings.

Another thought: Are larger animals more difficult to tame?  If weasels are easy and eagles are harder, then there might be a size correlation here.

Also, updating OP with knowledge about tamed offspring.
I've gotten to "General Familiarity" with wolves and dingos. I no longer see any semi-wild creatures but that seems to be the gist of it. Wolves and Dingos seem to be about the same level of difficulty, I'm also raising cougars but I only have one specimen to work with.

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Re: Science Thread: Taming and Training
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2012, 05:52:14 pm »

Another thought: Are larger animals more difficult to tame?  If weasels are easy and eagles are harder, then there might be a size correlation here.

I'm pretty sure capybara are bigger than weasels and they were supposedly easier, so it might be more a matter of agressiveness? Combined with some internal creature modifier? Herd animals might be easier than solitary hunters, solitairy hunters harder than pack hunters, while pack hunters may be easier than solitary "prey", but either easier than instinct creatures like snakes and insectoids.
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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2012, 06:23:56 pm »

Ah, my dwarves also just reached "general familiarity" with rattlesnakes, and for what it's worth, I just got the notice in mid-autumn, so without a caravan going. Then again, that seems to be the settlement's knowledge, not the overall dwarven civ knowledge.

If anyone cares, the specific text I got was "The dwarves of the Colorless Orb have attained a general familiarity with rattlesnake training methods."
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« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2012, 06:32:06 pm »

Oh balls! (That's the sound discoveries make in DF). Animal trainers get bad thoughts if an animal they train is butchered. Remove all training orders before butchering an animal. Caught this before he became miserable but my animal trainer is in a hella bad mood. 

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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2012, 06:32:56 pm »

I don't know if this is really related to training, but my dwarf civilization brought me kangaroo milk and kangaroo cheese, which I assume means that the civ has a close sacred bond with kangaroos, and so they can trade kangaroo economic products other than simply cheese and leather etc.  Badass!
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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2012, 06:36:31 pm »

Oh balls! (That's the sound discoveries make in DF). Animal trainers get bad thoughts if an animal they train is butchered. Remove all training orders before butchering an animal. Caught this before he became miserable but my animal trainer is in a hella bad mood.
Oh shit! (That's the sound overturning discoveries in DF makes) Training an animal results in the "Bonded" relationship which means trapping for meat is about to get complicated.

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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2012, 06:40:20 pm »

I got my first taming fortress up to a third level of knowledge on eagles.  I was trying to get them to be "domesticated," but, I lost all my taming experiments when a flaming dwarf set my soil level on fire.  I had a pair of GCS, but they had not produced any offspring yet, I had just captured the second one though.   I started a second fortress, and unfortunately did not keep screenshots from the first.  Apparently I only transfered back a few facts.  I will try to get the new fortress up to a high level in something again. 
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« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2012, 06:47:07 pm »

Oh balls! (That's the sound discoveries make in DF). Animal trainers get bad thoughts if an animal they train is butchered. Remove all training orders before butchering an animal. Caught this before he became miserable but my animal trainer is in a hella bad mood.
Oh shit! (That's the sound overturning discoveries in DF makes) Training an animal results in the "Bonded" relationship which means trapping for meat is about to get complicated.

Serious ramifications! Perhaps they'll be like other nobles, and require offing occasionally. Wonder what happens to the animals when a bonded dwarf dies.
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Re: Science Thread: Taming and Training
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2012, 07:19:15 pm »

I've gotten the message "The dwarves of the Pillar of Vestibule have attained a general familiarity with crundle training methods" and they are now listed as "general familiarity" in the overall training tab. That's level two after "a few facts."

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« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2012, 08:01:03 pm »

Question regarding combined training/breeding programs with egg layers. I've read that anyone (any dwarf? any adult dwarf?) stepping on eggs makes them infertile. On the other hand semi-wild breeders need retraining so you can't just lock them away. I've used traffic areas in the past to keep dwarfs off of nest boxes. But trainers have jobs related to animals on nest boxes and active jobs trump traffic restrictions. I stupidly put all my nest boxes in a line against one wall, now trainers are standing on one nest box while training an animal nesting on the one next to it. Thoughts? Better designs?
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« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2012, 08:13:48 pm »

So here are the levels of training I've found so far. The first is the level, second is how the training appears after the animal's name, third is the letter or symbol that appears next to the animal in the "Animals" z-screen tab. (The word in parentheses might of course be shortened, depending on how long the animal name is.)

Semi-Wild (Semi-Wild) W
Trained (Trained) T
Well-Trained (-Trained-) -
Skillfully trained (+Trained+) +
Domesticated (Tame) D

There could be more levels of course that I haven't run across yet, but thought I'd get those jotted down anyhow.
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« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2012, 08:24:44 pm »

So here are the levels of training I've found so far. The first is the level, second is how the training appears after the animal's name, third is the letter or symbol that appears next to the animal in the "Animals" z-screen tab. (The word in parentheses might of course be shortened, depending on how long the animal name is.)

Semi-Wild (Semi-Wild) W
Trained (Trained) T
Well-Trained (-Trained-) -
Skillfully trained (+Trained+) +
Domesticated (Tame) D

There could be more levels of course that I haven't run across yet, but thought I'd get those jotted down anyhow.
I currently have an expertly and exceptionally trained as well.
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Re: Science Thread: Taming and Training
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2012, 08:26:42 pm »

So as I understand it, we're playing with two different meanings of the word train here. On the one hand, we have train as an intermediate between wild (totally feral) and tame (safe for your fortress). On the other hand, we have training as in the specializations of an animal (war/hunting)?

Just throwing this out there because I think I'm tripping myself up a bit here, trying to keep up with the thread =P
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