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Voting closed: April 04, 2012, 03:44:35 pm

[Servant Corps]

Meanwhile, the coup in Mali is still ongoing, and may still fail. There is opposition from within and without Mali to the coup plotters, and there are rumors that the leader of the coup is now dead.

What's worse than a coup is a coup that doesn't quite conclude. The rebels are certainly going to take advantage of this instability in the mean time.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's bad. Mali's government is one of the best in the region, it falling will cause a lot of destabilization.

[Servant Corps]

The capital of Mali is calm today, so it seems that if there was a counter-coup, it must have been crushed. There is still opposition however, as arrested ministers begin a hunger strike and lawmakers condemn the coup.

At least the coup plotters are finally dealing with the insurgency by, uh...talking to them outside of a strategic city the rebels want to conquer?

Something's not right. Something's dreadfully not right. I suppose one may think "something's not right" when a coup occurred mere days before an election, but it could be that the coup plotters disliked the politicians of Mali and believed no change would occur after elections. But when you're outright negotiating with the rebels you said you were going to crush mere days ago...

[Zangi]

I'm not sure whats happening, but I don't think there is a single representative...

The article says it all, the former soldiers are not getting the stuff they need to fight the rebels.  Not exactly a great booster for morale... and doing the coup probably did not remedy that particular problem.  So yea, may as well get out while the getting is good.

Negotiating an out for those who don't wish to join the rebellion shows that they are looking out for their own.  A good thing in my opinion, it shows that there is overall less malicious intent behind the coup nor a generalissimo deciding that he'd be a better leader.
Its something more along the lines of being backed in the corner/fed up by whatever mismanagement/logistical problems that have plagued these soldiers.

I can't say much about the rebels or anything of Mali.  No clue of the place there, but that is what I got out of the above talking to rebels article.

[Servant Corps]

That's probably true. Since the rebels are well-armed and had experience fighting in Libya, I can see some military units decided to overthrow the democratic government to seize the government just for sue for peace.

The United States has cut military aid to Mali, but have not yet decided whether Mali suffered a coup or not. Officially, it's a mutiny.

EDIT: There's a news article giving us more detail on the rebels; I find this interesting.

[PTTG??]

Going back to Martin, there's been a blitz by the NRA and other conservative groups to support the killer. Now, I'll admit that there's some uncertainty as to what happened there, does anyone else get a bit shocked by this wave of attacks against Trayvon?

Republicans: When a black kid gets stalked and killed by a clinically paranoid white supremacist, you know who's side we're on.

[Kilroy the Grand]

Going back to Martin, there's been a blitz by the NRA and other conservative groups to support the killer. Now, I'll admit that there's some uncertainty as to what happened there, does anyone else get a bit shocked by this wave of attacks against Trayvon?

Republicans: When a black kid gets stalked and killed by a clinically paranoid white supremacist, you know who's side we're on.

First off zimmerman is cuban not white, secondly it's not conclusive who struck first. Want to know what I think happened? Both of them went full retard and neither wanted to back down, zimmerman was the wannabe police gung ho officer and Trayvon was a wannabe gangster who committed a few petty thefts and some graffiti.

and the only reason the NRA is backing the guy is because they are fearful there will be a backlash against gun ownership.

[Capntastic]

Trayvon was a wannabe gangster who committed a few petty thefts and some graffiti.

So, even if true, what does this have to do with like, someone killing him with a gun? 

Edit:  Because the person who struck first did so with a gun.

Edit edit:  It's important to note that white supremacists sites have found an entirely different black person named Trayvon Martin on facebook who does have more of an unsavory attitude, and has been trying to discredit the Trayvon who got killed by dispersing pics and info of him.  Even if he did do drugs and petty thefts and graffiti that literally does not justify killing him in any way though.

[Kilroy the Grand]

I believe that there is sufficient evidence to show that Mr. Zimmerman was acting in self-defense. He has wounds, injuries to his face, to the back of his head. And I think the evidence will show that he was acting in self-defense, and that it was not racially motivated.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/trayvon-martin-case-zimmerman-builds-his-defense/255006/

I'm not taking sides, because I believe both parties are at least partly to blame. Do I think trayvon martin was a special innocent snowflake? No I don't. I also don't think zimmerman was competent enough to own a gun, and he went full retard when he chased after the kid.

As I said before, both of them went full retard, neither of them backed down, and a kid got shot. I don't care if zimmerman is innocent or not, I'm just here for the spectacle.

Also, did you know Trayvon's parents trademarked “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon”
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123

[Capntastic]

Stop using the word retard, it's sort of offensive.  And I don't get why you're even partially defending a dude who stalked Trayvon against police orders, confronted him, and then killed him with a gun.  Saying "they both made mistakes" is basically a non-committal grunt that belies that you don't seem to care someone murdered Trayvon for no reason.

Even the article you linked straight up says that his lawyer is trying to change the view of the event in the public consciousness.   

As investigators privately try to sort out what happened, lawyers are publicly spinning information for the benefit of their clients.

I mean hey, if Trayvon did get violent after being cornered by a dude who had been following him, that's bad, but justifiable.  Pulling a gun on an unarmed kid and literally killing him is unjustifiable, especially if it's a fight you instigated.

And who cares if anyone trademarked anything?  That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, unless you're trying to make the case that trying to spread awareness after the fact of the crime somehow justifies it?

Anyways, going back a bit, are you going to bring up proof that he was 'a wannabe gangster' or concede on that point?

[Kilroy the Grand]

Nah, I'm not going to even put in the effort to search for proof. I just find it intriguing how the media got so worked up over this, it kinda reminds me of how every few months a pretty white girl goes missing and the entire country goes ape shit.

and I'm going to wait until zimmerman is convicted before I start to call him a murderer, innocent until proven innocent and all that jazz.

[fqllve]

You find it intriguing that people got worked up over the vigilante killing of a presumably innocent and unarmed teenage boy? That tends to be the kind of thing that works people up.

[Capntastic]

"Heh, you actually care about the tragic deaths of others.  I find that intriguing."

Regardless, you've conceded that you don't know, or even care about what you're saying, so I'll leave you to it.

[Kilroy the Grand]

You find it intriguing that people got worked up over the vigilante killing of a presumably innocent and unarmed teenage boy? That tends to be the kind of thing that works people up.

People die all the time, yet the media and the public deem certain murders to be more important than others. Or why the news never mentions all the black women that get kidnapped/go missing. It's pretty interesting.

Tons of people get murdered everyday, is trayvon special? I don't think so, not anymore than anyone else that gets shot. Besides in a month or two most everyone will have forgotten about this.

"Heh, you actually care about the tragic deaths of others.  I find that intriguing."

Regardless, you've conceded that you don't know, or even care about what you're saying, so I'll leave you to it.

Sure his death was tragic and probably preventable, but I didn't know him, zimmerman or anyone else involved. Thousands of people get killed in more horrific ways than trayvon, sorry if I don't breakdown and cry for each one.

[fqllve]

No, this was a vigilante killing. Zimmerman was pursuing someone he presumed to be a criminal and later killed that person. Vigilante killings that aren't an every day occurrence and tend to make the news. Remember Joe Horn a few years back?