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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2012, 05:24:09 pm »

Another thing that really annoyed me about the movies (and, I suppose, about this new adaption) is how they completely tossed out the rather interesting weapon selection Heinlein had (flamethrowers, pocket nukes, a wide variety of bombs, etc.) for fuckin' assault rifles. At least this new thing looks like it is getting the armor closer to right.

You do have to admit, putting any number of live actors into convincing looking powered-armor suits on a movie screen in 1997 would have been quite the undertaking.  And in case you didn't notice, they did have "pocket nukes", what do you think those bazookas were?

Why an animated adaptation might skimp on such things, I have no idea.

Oh, I agree that they couldn't have done live-action powered armor then. Or now, really. Hence why that adaption was in some ways a bad idea, and why animation has much more potential. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, though, the only actual use of a tacnuke was as an improvised demolition charge. And possibly once during Bughouse? But either way, it was treated as a 'special' weapon, while in the novel if they were approved for a mission at all, there were typically two or three for every Marauder suit.


The bugs in the novel proper were very interesting opponent. Despite how they've been popularized, the bugs had DEW, space ships, and faster then light travel.

The skinnies, from what I got we're not on the same level of technology that the Federation are or the bugs are.

Although that talking bomb is awesome.

Agreed on all counts with the Bugs. That was sort of the point of the book; they were a high-tech race that still operated with hive-minds, and that was screwing with the Federation scientists. In the movie, they weren't even as advanced as the Zerg, with nothing but claws and those bioplasma things. I for one would like to see their DEW, as well as at least some sort of mention of tunnelling and frying bacon.

The impression I got from the Skinny section was that (and I think it was actually stated outright) that the raid was just that-a (kill me for saying this) 'shock and awe' raid, conducted by a small unit, on their homeworld, where they weren't expecting combat. I'd agree that they probably weren't quite as advanced as the Federation or Bugs, but there wasn't too substantial of a gap.




Of course, there are plenty of other things to complain about the movie for: replacing drop pods with those flying boxes, replacing the whole ideal of the 'everyone fights, supersoldier' vision of the MI with 'a bunch of people standing in a line like WWI in SPEHSS', so on and so forth.
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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2012, 05:49:36 pm »

Yea, the movie was is distantly related to the novel, but it's still a good popcorn sci fi action movie. The bugs have aged really well, they still look damn good.
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I'm excited about this. It looks they've taken the art direction from the Live Action Movie/CGI show, but went back toward the novel. Which will be an interesting thing; Starship Trooper is lauded as this action pack military drama, but there is hardly any combat. It's more about exploring how the Federation works from the POV of one person. Even though I love reading it, I'm not sure if that'll translate well to a movie.
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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2012, 10:49:30 pm »

Have to say I'm excited about this. Hope its good. Loved the first one by ignoring the name and just taking it as cheesy scifi military. Second one was horrible, third one was... passable.

On the topic of power armor and bugs, I'd like to see a movie adaptation of Armor. That was an amazing novel.
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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2012, 11:13:35 pm »

Armor?
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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2012, 11:50:22 pm »

So I just googled armor novel

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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2012, 12:08:18 am »

Old Man's War by John Scalzi, that's another good space war novel.
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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2012, 01:21:30 am »

You guys don't get it, the movie was never supposed to be an adaptation of the book. It's a critique of it. The book glorifies patriotism, the movie shows the dangers of overzealous patriotism. Or do you think all those resemblances to Nazi imagery were accidental? Or the fact that bugs never actually threaten Earth in the movie (the meteor shower "bug weapon" that hits Earth cities sounds very fishy to me).

So yeah, IMO movie > book.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2012, 01:24:31 am »

You guys don't get it, the movie was never supposed to be an adaptation of the book. It's a critique of it. The book glorifies patriotism, the movie shows the dangers of overzealous patriotism. Or do you think all those resemblances to Nazi imagery were accidental? Or the fact that bugs never actually threaten Earth in the movie (the meteor shower "bug weapon" that hits Earth cities sounds very fishy to me).

So yeah, IMO movie > book.
But the astroid that does strike the earth was seen traveling through space, and fantastic velocities though.
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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2012, 01:28:58 am »

How would the bugs in the movie be capable of directing asteroids?
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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2012, 01:32:50 am »

How would the bugs in the movie be capable of directing asteroids?
As explained in the movie, they use their plasma bugs to knock them out of orbit, toward Earth.
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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2012, 03:40:37 am »

The movies had plasma bugs in space in the earth system? I find it otherwise hard to believe that a bunch of plasma bugs can on a planet in another system, can manage to hit asteroids in the periphery of their own systems, and launch them several hundred years towards the sol system to perfectly align and smack into it.
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« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2012, 04:02:44 am »

Super Sci Fi plasma.
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Re: Starship Troopers 4: Invasion
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2012, 07:31:55 am »

I'm more geeked up over the prospect of a Forever War movie, even though it's been stuck in development hell for four years now...
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« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2012, 09:15:43 am »

As I see it, the movie is implying that the Terran government was behind the asteroids, as part of effort to keep everyone wrapped up in the war and thus under control. Really, the bugs are basically equivalent of Eastasia.
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