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[Sixletters]

i cant get normal aboveground farms to work in the new version.

My biomes ground is all flat ground covered in healthy grass and when furrowed reveals soil bearing ground types.

When making a new farm i get the message "No soil/mud for farm" even on a 1x1 on grass on clay

do i need to irrigate above ground now?

When working on this soil you get "no seeds available on this location" despite having plenty of above ground seeds, normally an indication that the biome is considered unirrigated

[knutor]

Could be a bug with that region, dunno.  I know its not gamewide. 

I am playing 34.05 right now and have three above ground farms going, with Longland Grass, Strawberries, and Prickle Berries.  Did 0 irrigation, and no fertilizing.  Although two seem to have slowed down their growth rates..  My biome is Stork and Rattlesnake infested Neutral.  They are built on Sand.  *shrug*

Try picking some plants, and then plotting it.  Not sure if it matters if the seeds are (seeds) or seeds.  Good luck, Knutor

[robertheinrich]

With above ground farms you will (currently) always get that "no mud/soil available" message when creating farm spots. But they do work.

What are you trying to grow? Maybe the biome and/or climate doesn´t support it.

[Sixletters]

I picked plants, i have strawberry seeds, all im getting is "no seeds available" on all seasons which in underground farms normally means theres a problem with the irrigation or placement

Its not a cross biome problem or a problem with off tiles in the square, i tried a few 1x1 plots they also fail on normal grass/clay soil

If my biome just doesnt allow above ground crops for some reason i guess ill have to stick to underground on this fortress, this might not be a v34 problem

thanks for replying

[knutor]

Could it be a plant, and not a seed?  Well if ya have a farmer, and its not letting ya plot one.  hmm.  Are your murky pools full?  Or evaporated.

[MarcAFK]

No seeds available also might mean your seeds are forbidden.

[Sixletters]

im checking the seeds in stocks, if they were forbidden it would show on the stock menu, and they are definitely seeds

the pools are at 7/7 it is not a dry climate

[Garath]

For a bit more clarification, if it says "no soil/mud" in red, there isn't. If it's in yellow you're clear.

The seeds may be from a strawberry someone ate and the seeds are still in the dining hall or wherever you dwarf ate it. Can't think of much else.

There used to be a problem that you couldn't plant the seeds untill you had the plant or a finished product also (beer/wine/flour/threads), but I never encountered this, so I don't know the details.

[Antalia]

The seeds are reachable from the aboveground plot, right? I got this message just the other day because I'd closed the fort entrance, and my workers hadn't yet built the stairs connecting the plots. I think 2-depth water can also cut you off, like if there was irrigation and things aren't done draining.

[Quietust]

If you have seeds and it says "no seeds available", then you're probably trying to place your farm plot in a mountain biome, which doesn't work.

[orius]

Either it's a bug or you're trying to plant on a biome that doesn't support farms I guess.  I've got some roofed over surface plots and they're growing normally.

[knutor]

To force soil in nonfarmable tile. 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Go one z level above the ground and paint an activity zone, Pond.  Then build a column of ramps or up/down stairs along the one side of that zone, so the lil buggers can pitch buckets full of water over the ground.  That'll give you soil from which to grow on.  Make sure your Pond is floating one z level above the ground, however, or they won't be able to pour out their buckets. Remove when done, or disactivate.  Doesn't work in frozen climate or wintertime.

  Knutor