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[RabblerouserGT]

So far as I can see, they're just lazy nobles that add nothing.. unless they somehow allow the parent civ to sent soldiers.

[khearn]

Once you reach the point where you are offered the chance to become a barony, if you don't accept it you can't request specific trade goods from the liaison. But once you get a baron, there's no real reason to keep him alive if he/she annoys you too much. As far as I know, there's no other benefit.

But then, there's no real benefit from having invasions turned on, either. Sure, they supply goblinite, but if you don't have goblins to fight, you don't really need the goblinite. There are plenty of things in the game that provide more of a challenge, rather than providing any real benefit. I guess one could actually say that about the entire game (I know my wife does at times).

[wierd]

The baron makes an excellent test subject for science.

Being a stuffy noble, he refuses to believe anyone but him is smart enough to create an elaborate death machine operated by a jewel encrusted golden lever.

(Afterall, if he didn't mandate its construction, it doesn't exist!)

The position is perfect for raising known vampires to, especially if you want to keep him active using delicious children.  As a noble, he cannot be punished, removing the unhappy thoughts he and others feel about the scrumptuous little urchins.

Otherwise, they are simply a source of general annoyance, mandating the creation of slade toy boats, crystal glass beds, and demon bone crafts.

[Telgin]

From what I understand, the baron allows you to appoint some nobles too.  Unless I'm mistaken, Toady is putting the champion back into the game, and he's appointed by a baron or better.  What good is he?  No idea, never played a version of the game where is present.  Other useful nobles might be appointed by the baron in future versions of the game (although with the replacement of the dungeon master with general animal training, maybe not).

In general the baron is just there for two purposes: to give you something else to keep you busy / challenged (with the removal of material based mandates, this isn't so ridiculous anymore), and to give you an indication that you've accomplished something in the game (made it to 80 dwarves and had a decent amount of wealth).

[Sphalerite]

When you have the Baron, the Humans will start sending diplomats.  If you have modded the Elves to have diplomats, they will also start sending them then.  You can kill their diplomats to trigger wars, and then once you are no longer amused by being sieged by humans or elves you can talk to the next diplomat they send to resume a state of peace.

[RabblerouserGT]

If you have modded the Elves to have diplomats, they will also start sending them then.  You can kill their diplomats to trigger wars

SOLD!

DFhack's fixdiplomats is what you'd use for that, right?

[Psieye]

In the upcoming next version, a Champion can be appointed once you have a Baron. Not sure exactly what benefit that will have but I'm pretty sure happiness will be affected.

[Malarauko]

I believe (though I may be wrong) that champions give a bonus to training your troops. To answer the original question a baron (or baroness) has no use apart from being another level of complexity. I always like to keep things as realistic as possible. Occasionaly the unwashed masses of my fort get sick of the nobility and kill them but c'est la vie!

[rooth]

I picked up somewhere barons will transfer their position to an heir on death.
Kept my baron happy for over 25 game years while he ensured that there were successors aplenty(the guy had 11 kids), even lost his first heir to dark forces unknown(his oldest son got hammered because of a mandate!) and then when the day finally came that our leader had to pass, the title just disappeared!

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It seems his 'promotion' the year before his death ruined his lasting legacy on the slab.

The guy had a nasty habit of putting his girlfriend on the mayor position alot, which made my designated mayor quite the character;

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Was only the first heir ever eligible for succession or is it simply that you get one shot at this?

[Psieye]

I'm not sure whether the heir system works right now in forts - I think that fix was for legends mode. I can't remember clearly either way.

[SixOfSpades]

Don't know about you guys, but my Count keeps nice and busy, dig dig digging as a Legendary Miner & hauling stuff. (Well, I'm pretty sure he actually hauls stuff.)

[MarcAFK]

...with the removal of material based mandates...

WHAt? when did this happen?

[kaijyuu]

Hrm, now that you mention it, I haven't seen any material based mandates either.


I just see basic item mandates. Bolts, chairs, etc.

[Mungrul]

I would contend that invasions provide far more than just goblinite in the form of events to adorn your walls!
No invasions means endless recursive engravings of engravers engraving.

[rtg593]

No invasions means endless recursive engravings of engravers engraving.

This is an engraving of Recursivia, the legendary engraving. All craftsmanship is of the highest quality. This engraving references the time Recursivia, the legendary engraving, was engraved. On this engraving is an engraving of itself.