Painiac, Strategia, and Tiruin are veering into Wall of Text territory. This is a dangerous land, filled with arguments too lengthy for anyone to bother reading. They need to be prepared to summarize their arguments succinctly when they want to actually convince people.
I was bored at work, and I wanted to make sure that I wasn't spouting utter bullshit, so I decided to go over all of Painiac's posts so far for completeness' sake.
Strategia I don't remember anything about, if indeed I've played with him before.
I haven't played with you before, I've only been in BM XXX (and the replacement list for BM XXXI), and lurking in a handful of other games (such as BSER and Hammertime). Haven't posted in those though.
Tiruin, drakon, where are you?
Why'd you care about them but not me?
My previous experience with ICs indicated that they tend, on the whole, to be very much less active than the new players themselves, so I didn't mind your inactivity at the time. (I may have checked your profile and saw your last post had been here, or I may be confused with someone else. My memory on such matters gets fuzzy sometimes.) My later question to you on "what do you think of the situation" was also my way of asking where you were.
(I'll summarise my arguments at the end of the post, so if you tl;dr you can skip this section and go straight there.)
It's really funny it's YOU who mentions this. Your ,,Red or Blue" question wasn't better (probably even worse), and these were answers YOU got.
All right, since it probably won't really work after this game anyway: The reason I asked those "red vs. blue" questions was to get a very broad, basic read on players' personalities through a very simple either-or question. Red = more emotional an impulsive, possibly aggressive, blue = more calm and careful, both in very broad strokes. Like I said, this had no immediate effect on my votes, but it did give me a rough idea of what to expect from the players I asked. And guess what? You said red, and you've been very impulsive and aggressive throughout this game so far. Phibes, for instance, said blue and is much more passive (though to the point of either absurdity or just not caring). Again, this has no immediate bearing on my votes, but it's a quick and easy way to get a broad read on someone.
Rest is just WIFOM. I could say that scum wouldn't attack IC directly in first post, because it would be plain stupid to argue with more experienced player. And being in such bad spotlight would lynch scum in no time. But that's also WIFOM. Oh, and that's Gambler Fallacy you are making there. If you were throwing coin and got tails 3 times, it will not warp a coin, it will not change laws of gravity, it will not spawn some miracle or whatever. Next throw will also have 50/50 chance. Chances of Dariush being scum aren't that microscopic as you would think. These chances are equal to me being scum, or you, or anyone else after all.
Eh, true. I'm not discounting the possibility that Dariush is scum, I'm just saying that I find it unlikely. As for attacking an IC right off the bat, yes it may be WIFOM but the way I see it is you trying to deny the town access to one of our ICs through a lynch. You say that you read some other games Dariush was in and have a slight read on his meta. I.e. you know he's, shall we say, rather abrasive. It's easy to paint that as scumminess to a bunch of newbies. And quite honestly, I wouldn't put it past Darvi to put you up to this, just to get under Dariush' skin (nothing personal Darvi).
I know definition of OMGUS, thank you. I didn't say it was normal OMGUS. I did say it has looked like very passive OMGUS.
There's no such thing. Your argument is void.
Assuming it isn't, and "looking like a very passive OMGUS" is a valid scumtell instead of an utterly vague nonsensical phrase, you
look slightly like an experienced player, and this orange juice on my desk
looks like it has a very slight green tinge under my desk lamp. But see, the thing is, you
aren't some kind of Mafia legend, and my orange juice is just plain yellow, because
looking very slightly like a passive something-or-other is a phrase with absolutely no validation whatsoever. Skyscrapers
look very slightly like marshmallows. Someone sitting in their car with the engine off
looks like a very passive driver. It has utterly no meaning.
"You are stepping on the thin ice of meta scumtells" indeed. Oh dear, looks like your credibility is going down the storm drain after its big splat. Also, more meaningless exchange with McFry. Have I perchance stumbled upon your scumbuddy?
Magma wanted to start with meta scumtells as his scumhunt basis, which was just plain wrong. I just throwed one, little question, while I was aware it will backfire at me if I will treat it too seriously.
Well hey, guess what? Your one little question
is backfiring on you. Either it led you down a route of tunnel-vision, going after Dariush at the expense of scumhunting
anybody else for the
entire day (in which case you're an obstruction to scumhunting and I want you gone), or you knew full well what was going to happen and used it to goad Dariush with the intention of getting rid of him ASAP (in which case you're scum and I want you gone).
whaaaaat
Where I am being suprised by Dariush actions? If you want to frame me with wild accusations, try better. Random quotes will not work.
Maybe "surprised" wasn't the best choice of words. What I meant was how you were going after Dariush for, again,
being Dariush. Hurling insults and being abrasive are not scumtells.
I have to repeat myself? By saying ,,nice, clean OMGUS", I meant it's book definition. While ,,very passive OMGUS" is slightly different.
If you really want a definition of "nice, clean OMGUS", I'd recommend looking at the tail end of your own post. And again, "very passive OMGUS" is not "slightly different",
it doesn't exist.
You know, you had accused me several times... While not stating what are you accusing me for. Like, ,,I accuse you, because something!". And you are accusing me of being vague and outright lying, while being vague and outright lying! That's probably the crappiest argument I saw in this mafia.
I'm accusing you because you appear scummier with every post you make. Because your arguments are based on nothing. Because you're hurling vague non-entities around like they're some sort of all-telling scumslip.
Because you're scum.
Your wild accusations are dripping scumminess. And nice argument you have here: ,,I think your posts are scummy, I don't have proof though, but you are scum!". Yeah.
Excuse me while I try to wrap my head around this stupidity. If you want proof,
you've been dissecting it this whole post so far. As for wild accusations dripping scumminess; pot, meet kettle. Besides, forgive me for actually attempting proper scumhunting on D1 instead of relentlessly attacking one person right from the very first post with barely any regard for anyone else along the way. Oh that's right, I forgot, you don't actually
need to scumhunt. It'd be rather hard to hunt
yourself.
Bye bye my ass, scum. Don't be so relaxed, you hadn't lynched me yet. Strategia. I would like to see scummy, framing, making wild accusations ass like you hang. And what the hell you are saying? Even if I would be townie, it would be good lynching me? That's such stupid and anti-town proposition (backed up with crappy argument, of course) only scum would say. That's worse from any policy lynch.
So far, if there's anything I've noticed about myself when playing Mafia, it's that whenever I start to attack someone I tend to end my posts with a relaxed-seeming, sarcastic stinger along the lines of the "bye bye now" in here. And just because you haven't been lynched yet doesn't mean you won't be lynched in the future. And yes, lynching townies
can be something other than entirely a bad thing. Look at Phibes; IIRC, you yourself said he was being vague and unreadable, and therefore dangerous. If Phibes got lynched, and flipped town, that means that he wasn't scum but just an idiot who distracted the town. Getting rid of scummy town helps clean the place up, and makes the actual scum easier to find. Therefore, even though I do believe you are scum,
I want you gone no matter what.
Summary of my arguments against Painiac.
- He has been attacking only one target, and an IC at that, with any kind of force for the entire day, right from the get go (until now).
- His attacks on Dariush are based on bullshit.
- His tunnel-vision is hurting town scumhunting efforts.
- If he isn't scum, he's very scummy town, and needs to go as well.
Ergo; my vote stays firmly on Painiac.