Right then, since everyone else seems to be doing it I've decided to make a protracted accusation as well. On Day 1 no less, quite unusual from what I've seen, especially for BMs.
First off,
Unvote. And now to pick apart
Painiac's posts.
Dariush, why are you SCUMMMMMM?
Why a useless question, Painiac?
Bah, it's not useless. I can check reaction with this question, so it's not useless.
Actually, Scelly is right. Let's examine two possible answers, shall we?
1.) "Why are you SCUMMM?" "I'm not." This is basically what any normal player would answer. Congratulations, you have learned nothing. Oh, and Dariush outright said this as well.
2.) "Why are you SCUMMM?" "That's a stupid question." Also basically what any normal player could answer,
especially an IC, given that they're supposed to teach you how to scumhunt properly. Dariush, being Dariush, simply added profanity.
Furthermore, attacking an IC right out of the gate does not give off a very good signal. In general, what I've noticed is that ICs tend not to be as active as other players in BMs; hence, I assume, why IronyOwl is the least active player here. As ICs go, Dariush is one of the more active ones though, and also very visible and experienced. It would make perfect sense for scum to want to deny town this resource. (And the odds of the same IC being scum two games in a row is microscopic. Dariush was scum in
BM XXXI.)
Second, useless questions like that are EXTREMELY heavily discouraged around here. When asking any question, think: How does it help you find scum? What are you going to do depending on the answer?
You are already twisting my post into roleplaying, and dismissing my question as useless. Something like very passive OMGUS... OH WAIT, I GOT REACTION HERE! Therefore, not useless.
I admit it's weak question, weak prod. But, if I would find it not useful, I can always ask second question.
So, Dariush. What you have to say about your weak OMGUS? Why you hadn't vote anybody yet (me, for example)?
IC'ing != OMGUSing. An OMGUS is an outright attack (i.e. a vote, or at the very least an FoS) on someone for basically no other reason than that they attacked you. Even then, an OMGUS is one of the more questionable scumtells. Dariush' job, being an IC, is to point out what you're doing wrong when scumhunting, which is what he's doing right here. This is in no way, shape or form an OMGUS; again, it's you attacking an IC for..... basically no reason at all.
I am gonna watch for a while, while going for much more reliable to read IC's. IC, if he is scum, will be pretty dangerous to town with his experience. If he's looking town, I will be more calm about approaching other players, because I have backup in town IC.
I will be a completely impartial source of advice that I will freely give at every opportunity, whether I am asked for it or I decide to give it on my own. You can trust that everything I have to say will be given in good faith, even if it comes at a personal cost to me in this game.
This goes for
every IC, Dariush included. For an IC, their wincon comes secondary to their teaching role.
I had pointed my question at Dariush precisely because he's Dariush - he can be flippy-flappy about questions like that when he's scum.
Funny, what I've seen of Dariush completely lines up with his behaviour (and language) in this game.
Dariush and IronyOwl, which of this game's players have you played with/against before this game, and how do they play as town and scum? How do you play?
I played with everyone except Painiac and Dr.Phibes. Everyone is a decent player. Except you. You are a self-obsessed moron. Now, what was the purpose of your questions?
blah blah I am lazy give me info about others so I can hunt
NO, MAN, you should do your homework yourself. That's the mafia we are talking about, you should have your own hunches, and eventually confirm these with others. Don't be lazy passive dick, that's very anti-town. Also, FoS MagmaMcFry. Show me real scumhunting instead nagging Dariush like beggar for info. That's not purpose of IC's.
In addition to not being a lazy passive dick, don't be a lazy aggressive dick either. (Trust me, I know this first-hand. I got myself lynched that way in BM XXX.) I also like how you're now arguing in Dariush' favour, and
especially the bit about "that's not the purpose of ICs". This exchange seems strange and weak to me, almost like you're desperately trying to
appear to argue with Magma, but really aren't.
Since this is a BM, I'll answer: I'm not scum. But in any other game you'll be quickly given shit to eat for such a question (like is being done by Scelly, but on a higher scale).
How can we know your not a mafia? Just beacuse its a BM doesent mean you cant lie. I am watching you Dariush.
Is that really your reason for suspecting Dariush? It's WIFOM, null tell, no info there.
Oh.....
wow. Phibes' reason for suspecting Dariush is nulltell WIFOM,
based on your own question? Wait, what was that sound I heard? Oh, right, that's your credibility flying out the window and making a rather ugly splat on the pavement.
the information given by the ICs can't be used for scumtells
You are stating it yourself, duh. You are stepping on thin ice of meta scumtells. Using information from other games isn't that bad, but VERY risky. You need to play with such person constantly, see several games where such person is scum or third party. WHILE such person stopped making easy mistakes due to being inexperienced. And you need time to digest your info. It's basically not worth the effort if player sucks at playing mafia. Not mentioning that these scumtells are subjective, and may mean nothing to anyone other. It's not solid argument. You shouldn't use these as your only excuse to lynch someone, that's just plain stupid.
I had pointed my question at Dariush precisely because he's Dariush - he can be flippy-flappy about questions like that when he's scum.
"You are stepping on the thin ice of meta scumtells" indeed. Oh dear, looks like your credibility is going down the storm drain after its big splat. Also, more meaningless exchange with McFry. Have I perchance stumbled upon your scumbuddy?
And there you are, begging for nicely packed info, so you can START thinking. Your attitude as town is horrible. If you WANT to have some scumtells from BM's - read these yourself, do your own homework!
The best solution - do some real SCUMHUNTING!
Exactly what I'd recommend you do yourself. You've been doing three things so far; going after Dariush for essentially no reason, having a wishy-washy back-and-forth with Magma, and asking lazy, meaningless questions of random people without following up on them. Oh, and a fourth thing; undercutting your own credibility.
I just want to say that your reason for suspecting Dariush is argument, which means nothing. Because, if he's town, he would say ,,I am not scum", if he's scum, he would also say ,,I am not scum". Don't WIFOM yourself. If you see something, that you can't be certain of, just leave it be.
Your argument is so weak it looks like you are just splashing some mud on Dariush, just for having poor excuse for possible bandwagon in future or something like that.
Oh dear oh dear. Pot, kettle, black, you know the drill.
Dr.Phibes, you're kinda passive. Only answering questions, and asked questions to targets I had choose before. You can't do some research on your own? What are you thinking about other players, any impressions?
drakon136, I can understand you have school/RL, but could you try asking some questions later, instead of only aswering them?
Tiruin, what role would you enjoy more - scum, or townie?
And here's the lazy questions I mentioned two quotes ago. RVS questions at this stage? Really?
Oooooh. Here I was being all cute and fluffy, hoping for several similarly cute and fluffy, wide-eyed and agreeable newbies, and instead I find a bunch of self-important tight-assed goatfuckers. Well then, let's play rough.
Well, I can understand why scum would want naive town for enemy.
Do they speak sarcasm in What? Also, if you're such an expert on Dariush' meta ("flippy-flappy on such questions when scum"), how come you're so incredibly surprised by Dariush hurling insults around like it's a competition?
'Judging reactions' never works, except maybe against newbies who'll panic regardless of aligment. You pulled that OMGUS accusation out of your ass because I didn't even attack you, let alone vote you. I vote whenever the fuck I want to, and taunting people 'why aren't you voting me' is yet another scumtell. What is that, fourth? Let's go over that again - roleplaying, useless question, bullshit claim about judging reactions, lying about OMGUS, taunting. Sorry, make that fifth. Nice going for just two posts, you sack of shit.
Because, you know, if you suspect someone, and according to you I am spitting scumbuckets, you KINDA FoS them, if not voting. You are probably not doing anything with such ,,scum" as me, to avoid clean, nice OMGUS, which could be used against you.
There's no such thing as a "nice, clean OMGUS". An OMGUS is a vague tell at best.
Or you are aware that voting me at the start of game could stupidified town, and I would be lynched in no time because of IC suggestion. Hard to tell. And no, I am not roleplaying, just offtoping. It wasn't useless question, because I had got BIG reaction. Judging reactions is differently stated previous argument, so also no. (Congratulations for duplicating the same argument.) I hadn't stated it was OMGUS, just some sort of passive version. I didn't taunted you. Check, check, check, check, check, no argument left.
Apart from the fact that I have no idea what you're saying in your first sentence, you
outright stated Dariush was OMGUSing you a couple of quotes back. Vagueness, pointless aggression, and either backtracking or outright lying. Check, check, check, no argument left.
Dariush reply to my post and yours stinks of scum. Needs more looking.
I stink of scum after a whopping one post, most of which was IC stuff. Nice nose you have there. Maybe it's your brain that stinks from inside instead?
,,Needs more looking" implies that I wasn't sure what I should think about you; townies may drop one or another scummy post while going for their target, it's just natural.
Well, let's see. You opened up by attacking Dariush. You pursued the attack with nothing to go on. You never seriously went after anyone else, focusing entirely on the one active IC. Doesn't look like you weren't sure what to think to me. Townies may drop the occasional scumtell, but you're just
dripping scumminess in every post.
Also, tunnel on Dariush based on his ONLY post before that. Sure.
I admit, I have problems with these. I had already learned one thing, though - when you see debate changing into pissing contest, it's probably two very aggresive townies.
What a nice, transparent way of covering your ass.
Now, I'm not defending Dariush here, but I see you went all jumpy
If you had read my previous mafias, as you had suggested, you should know better I am FAR from being jumpy. And that phrasing is very funny, ,,I kinda not chainsawing you now, but i am chainsawing you". If you fear about your image so much, just lurk, scum.
> in beginner's mafia
> implies to have meta
> is actually jumpy
And you do admit, making nonsensical arguments was your plan to catch scum all along?
If that works, then why not. It's not like I could think up any serious, logical argument from ONE post.
Wow. Just..... wow.
Painiac, I would like nothing better than to see scum like you hang. And even if you flip town, well, you're obstructive to actual scumhunting and hurting the town because of it so I still won't be sad to see you go. Bye bye now.
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