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[schismatise]

There is a dfhack with a clean tool for that bug. fixed in 10th secs.

This probably should have been said on page 1. Let's quit slapping the OP around for being silly and help him a little maybe?

Along with the above, i personally suggest adding [ARMORLEVEL:1] to all clothing items that don't already have an armor level. This removes stops dwarves from wearing or claiming clothes (outside of military outfits, of course). If you don't want to use dfhack to deal with the issues with having a lack of socks, use military outfits to clothe your civilians.

Of course, the clothing bugfix version will probably be out in a matter of days anyway.

[dragginmaster]

I never really get bothered by the bugs, i just see them as part of the game and handle them accordingly.

If your OCD is such that you need a perfect game, I am sure you can find an old Pong game in an antique store somewhere. Pretty much everygame since then has bugs.

And all of them were eventually set aside.

DF holds my a.d.d. (with video games at least) mind like none other.

I also do not think it is up to anyone other than Toady if it should be open sourced. I have seen evidence of him slowly opening up and accept some outside help, and seems to try and make a game that does not bar modding.

Meh.
 

[martinuzz]

The other workaround, without using DFHack's cleanowned command, for the bug that seems to be bugging the OP in an OP way:

- put all dwarves (except woodcutters, miners, hunters) in the military. Assign them clothing as uniforms. They'll replace them if they completely rot away.

[Lexx]

This has been discussed to death. But some of the basics of past discussions why it won't happen.

Toady has no interest working with others. Never mind making it open source.

He is making him and his brothers vision of the game. 100% creative control is a must.

Open source is NOT a foolproof solution to the problems the OP brings up. In fact it will harm his finances from donations. Which is what lets him work on this like he does.


If its that big a deal that there are bugs and its not stable enough for you. Go away for a few years and give it another try. You have no right to dictate what should and should not be done as a player. You should feel lucky that hes not outright charging for it.

[GhostDwemer]

George Lucas should open source Star Wars 'cause there's some mighty big bugs in that shit and I'm sure the fan community of doughy nerds could fix everything that's wrong with it in no time.

NASA should open source the space shuttle 'cause I want to go to space.

Beyonce should open source her... music, 'cause I want to put it in... my music collection.

You know, there are tons of problems with open sourcing a game like this but the biggest one, in my opinion, is that it would KILL discovery. No more !!SCIENCE!!. It would be an open book, everyone would know everything about how the game worked, there would be no experimentation, no back and forth on the forums, and everyone would design forts in the exact same "perfect" way. :/

[Kogut]

You know, there are tons of problems with open sourcing a game like this but the biggest one, in my opinion, is that it would KILL discovery. No more !!SCIENCE!!. It would be an open book, everyone would know everything about how the game worked, there would be no experimentation, no back and forth on the forums, and everyone would design forts in the exact same "perfect" way. :/

Sorry but this is so ridiculous argument... So in your opinion code will be obvious to everybody AND the only goal in construction of forts is to make them efficient AND there is only one way to measure efficiency?

[Mr Frog]

Sorry but this is so ridiculous argument... So in your opinion code will be obvious to everybody AND the only goal in construction of forts is to make them efficient AND there is only one way to measure efficiency?

This. Sometimes I don't really know exactly how my own programs work, and those are relatively-small projects, every line of which was planned and written by myself.

I am against open-sourcing of DF, though (for what it's worth, which so long as Toady is alive comes to 'very little'). I'm not familiar with how open-source works, but anyone with coding experience who's interested can contribute, correct?
However, a huge issue that I've noticed with just about every open online collaborative work I've seen is quality control. Not every contribution will be a good one, and it's difficult to decide where to draw the line and even more difficult to enforce the project's standards fairly.

[GhostDwemer]

I'm just going by what I've seen with other open sources games like Nethack. There is no !!SCIENCE!! in Nethack. There is one right way to play Nethack. Every good player makes the same basic choices given the same circumstances. There is only one right choice for the circumstance. No reading of code is required, because about a  million other people have already read it and gleaned everything there is to know from it and written up definitive guides exposing every trick and secret.

But that's just my opinion. What is true is that this isn't your game, it's Toady's game because he made it and he can do whatever the hell he likes with it including deciding to charge fifty bucks for it from here on in.

[Ghills]

People, can we stop with the open-source thing?  The OP was frustrated and made a throw-away comment about it. We don't need to re-enact every open-source thread ever.

@OP: Yeah, the clothing bug was part of why I stopped playing 31.25 for a while, especially since I make farming a large part of my forts.  I'm really glad it's getting fixed soon.

In the meantime, DFhack has a bunch of cleaning options, including for the entire map or just for a specific area (I think it's based on cursor location?).   Or there's the military-uniform workaround, but the military equipment screens were always too much bother for me to use.

[nenjin]

But it's so much fun to debate that thing that will never happen.....

[Kogut]

I'm just going by what I've seen with other open sources games like Nethack. There is no !!SCIENCE!! in Nethack. There is one right way to play Nethack. Every good player makes the same basic choices given the same circumstances. There is only one right choice for the circumstance. No reading of code is required, because about a  million other people have already read it and gleaned everything there is to know from it and written up definitive guides exposing every trick and secret.

There is no !!SCIENCE!! in Nethack - but it is a result of stopped development, not open-sourcing.

[GhostDwemer]

I'm talking Nethack from 2000. I haven't really played it recently. Has development stopped? That's too bad, but it's not relevant to my point. There was never any DF style !!SCIENCE!!in Nethack. Because reading someone else's commentary on the source is quicker and more reliable than doing your own science. There was never any discussion over how the game worked, because people knew how it worked, it wasn't a mystery to figure out. Even if you personally didn't know how the game worked, you knew that there were people who did know, and so, no mystery. That's why I always liked ADOM better than Nethack.