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[Neonivek]

"Christopher Columbus did people REALLY think you were going to fall off the edge of the world?"

"No in fact most people believed the world was round, or at least most credible people, there was however a belief that the world was actually larger then what we eventually discovered making circumnavigation a tricky proposition. As well my original goal wasn't to circumnavigate the globe so I would not have gone anywhere near the edge of the world"

"So basically this person is talking out of their butt?"

"Actually no, history is often rewritten to include these small myths. It is likely he learned this in class"

"Interesting, when did you get so smart?"

"Well you are writing my dialog"

"Touche"

[miauw62]

I like the irony in the fact that you did not include punctuation outside of questions.

[Neonivek]

I like the irony in the fact that you did not include punctuation outside of questions.

To quote myself "I actually have difficulty with spelling and grammar"

Also I put commas and periods in there; Just not at the end.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Neo's saying that such people ARE capable of basic punctuation/grammar/etc, but they don't care enough to apply themselves to use it outside of programming.

Or they can't apply it outside of programming because English grammar is a horrible Frankenstein's Monster of rules thrown together from the discarded pieces of other languages.

Though judging from his horrible sentences it's probably the former instead of the later.

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"No in fact most people believed the world was round, there was however a belief that the world was actually larger then what we eventually discovered. As well my original goal wasn't to circumnavigate the globe so I would not have gone anywhere near the edge of the world"

If the people back then thought it was larger, then it was not by much. The ancient Greeks came up with some accurate measurements, and the Medieval/Renaissance scholars cribbed off of those guys. And according to those measurements if Columbus hadn't stumbled upon North America, then he would have starved at sea. Mind you Christopher Columbus fudged a lot of numbers to sell his voyage to the King/Queen of Spain (mostly by making them small enough so that he wouldn't starve getting to China), and he was pretty egomaniacal if I remember correctly, so I'm not terribly surprised at his lines.

[PanH]

Neo's saying that such people ARE capable of basic punctuation/grammar/etc, but they don't care enough to apply themselves to use it outside of programming.

Or they can't apply it outside of programming because English grammar is a horrible Frankenstein's Monster of rules thrown together from the discarded pieces of other languages.

Though judging from his horrible sentences it's probably the former instead of the later.

Compared to some other languages, English is a stroll on the beach.

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"No in fact most people believed the world was round, there was however a belief that the world was actually larger then what we eventually discovered. As well my original goal wasn't to circumnavigate the globe so I would not have gone anywhere near the edge of the world"

If the people back then thought it was larger, then it was not by much. The ancient Greeks came up with some accurate measurements, and the Medieval/Renaissance scholars cribbed off of those guys. And according to those measurements if Columbus hadn't stumbled upon North America, then he would have starved at sea. Mind you Christopher Columbus fudged a lot of numbers to sell his voyage to the King/Queen of Spain (mostly by making them small enough so that he wouldn't starve getting to China), and he was pretty egomaniacal if I remember correctly, so I'm not terribly surprised at his lines.

He stumbled on Central America btw. On an island. The first to discover North America was Jacques Cartier.
And Colombus was trying to get in India. Which was within known lands.

[Darvi]

Compared to some other languages, English is a stroll on the beach.

This. People who say this have, in my experience, seldomly any experience in the truly clusterfucky languages.

[PanH]

Compared to some other languages, English is a stroll on the beach.

This. People who say this have, in my experience, seldomly any experience in the truly clusterfucky languages.

I am not english or whatever, and I find english grammar rules easier than the ones of my own language.

[Darvi]

At least you have rules.

[olemars]

I'm still not convinced people with blatantly shitty grammar actually do much programming.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Neo's saying that such people ARE capable of basic punctuation/grammar/etc, but they don't care enough to apply themselves to use it outside of programming.

Or they can't apply it outside of programming because English grammar is a horrible Frankenstein's Monster of rules thrown together from the discarded pieces of other languages.

Though judging from his horrible sentences it's probably the former instead of the later.

Compared to some other languages, English is a stroll on the beach.

Which languages are those? I'm only asking so that I can avoid them in the future.

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"No in fact most people believed the world was round, there was however a belief that the world was actually larger then what we eventually discovered. As well my original goal wasn't to circumnavigate the globe so I would not have gone anywhere near the edge of the world"

If the people back then thought it was larger, then it was not by much. The ancient Greeks came up with some accurate measurements, and the Medieval/Renaissance scholars cribbed off of those guys. And according to those measurements if Columbus hadn't stumbled upon North America, then he would have starved at sea. Mind you Christopher Columbus fudged a lot of numbers to sell his voyage to the King/Queen of Spain (mostly by making them small enough so that he wouldn't starve getting to China), and he was pretty egomaniacal if I remember correctly, so I'm not terribly surprised at his lines.

He stumbled on Central America btw. On an island. The first to discover North America was Jacques Cartier.
And Colombus was trying to get in India. Which was within known lands.

Yeah, I know he only reached the Caribbean, I was just simplifying for some reason. Can't remember why.

Oh, and if you want to get really specific Lief Eriksson was the first to discover North America. Well, first European. Obviously the Native Americans had been there for millennium.

Was Columbus specifically looking for India? I guess he must have if he called the Native Indians, though that might have just been due to their skin colour.

He was just looking for the East in general. European knowledge of geography of that area was nebulous at best, and I remember reading, in his account of the first voyage, how he was looking for the islands of Japan.

[PanH]

At least you have rules.

I wish so.

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If you want to be really specific, native americans were the first to discover America.

[Doctus]

English grammar is not especially bad. It's English orthography that's complicated and nonsensical and horrible.

[Darvi]

Yeah that makes more sense.

MFW I realize that this is one of the KS threads and we've gone off on a tangent that's practically normal.

[miauw62]

Compared to some other languages, English is a stroll on the beach.

This. People who say this have, in my experience, seldomly any experience in the truly clusterfucky languages.

French and Dutch.
I find English to be a very logical language, does that mean that those two languages are clusterfucky?

[Darvi]

I can't speak for Dutch, but French is 80% exceptions and 20% accents.