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[SealyStar]

Second, while good taste certainly ends at a fine line, there's a massive gap between "attractive female" and "bizarre fetish creature with tits larger than her head"...

I agree. But most human males nowadays seem to find that bizarre fetish creature more attractive (Why? I have no idea...). Why should people like Sarkeesian consider it their duty to police what others find attractive? I personally agree with Sarkeesian: such "bizarre fetish creatures" are demeaning, and not even attractive. But it's none of her business to bitch until this is accepted by the entirety of heterosexual masculinity.

I find calling anything "a bizarre fetish creature" more demeaning than simply a female with large breasts. Men (in general) like large breasts, I don't see how that's disgusting or demeaning.

I don't intend to label all women with large breasts as "bizarre fetish creatures". That label is reserved strictly for fictional females with unrealistically, IMO disturbingly, large breasts.

[Draco18s]

"a bizarre fetish creature"

[UltraValican]

Second, while good taste certainly ends at a fine line, there's a massive gap between "attractive female" and "bizarre fetish creature with tits larger than her head"...

I agree. But most human males nowadays seem to find that bizarre fetish creature more attractive (Why? I have no idea...). Why should people like Sarkeesian consider it their duty to police what others find attractive? I personally agree with Sarkeesian: such "bizarre fetish creatures" are demeaning, and not even attractive. But it's none of her business to bitch until this is accepted by the entirety of heterosexual masculinity.

I find calling anything "a bizarre fetish creature" more demeaning than simply a female with large breasts. Men (in general) like large breasts, I don't see how that's disgusting or demeaning.

I don't intend to label all women with large breasts as "bizarre fetish creatures". That label is reserved strictly for fictional females with unrealistically, IMO disturbingly, large breasts.

And what in your opinion is "unrealistically large". I certainly haven't seen any fictional females "outside of obvious parody" that have HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK level cleavage. What you call disgusting, other people might find attractive. What other people find attractive may be disgusting to you or others. I honestly wouldn't call any portrayal of the human body disgusting unless it involved fecal matter in some way.

"a bizarre fetish creature"

I'm afraid I don't speak reaction image. Would you be so kind as to explain what you find so entertaining about my post?

[penguinofhonor]

Second, while good taste certainly ends at a fine line, there's a massive gap between "attractive female" and "bizarre fetish creature with tits larger than her head"...

I agree. But most human males nowadays seem to find that bizarre fetish creature more attractive (Why? I have no idea...). Why should people like Sarkeesian consider it their duty to police what others find attractive? I personally agree with Sarkeesian: such "bizarre fetish creatures" are demeaning, and not even attractive. But it's none of her business to bitch until this is accepted by the entirety of heterosexual masculinity.

Are you completely unaware of the consequences of gross and unrealistic beauty ideals? Because yeah, while your personal attraction isn't that bad, things like this on the societal scale are anything but harmless.

[Draco18s]

I'm afraid I don't speak reaction image. Would you be so kind as to explain what you find so entertaining about my post?

This whole exchange is entertaining.

I was particularly amused by that particular phrase (you might not have said it first, that your post is where I saw it first, as I've been largely skimming).

[lordcooper]

I certainly haven't seen any fictional females "outside of obvious parody" that have HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK level cleavage.

[UltraValican]

I certainly haven't seen any fictional females "outside of obvious parody" that have HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK level cleavage.

What? it might be cold in that dungeon. 
Yeah, I think we should probably get back on topic now, or just make a feminism thread if this pops up a third time.

[MrWiggles]

So limitation of polygon rendering makes it sexist?

[NobodyPro]

Fun Fact:
Lara's cup size is the result of a modelling error. Somebody just happened to say: "Keep it."

[lordcooper]

So limitation of polygon rendering makes it sexist?

No, but this pretty much does.

The lady looked impressive all over, far more realistic than other games even attempted. Complete realism wasn't possible, of course, and Gard intended Lara to have somewhat exaggerated dimensions from the start. While making test adjustments to her girlish figure, a slip of his mouse turned an intended 50% increase to her breast size into a 150% gain. It met with instant approval from the team before he could correct it.

Just to clarify though, this is an issue I don't give two shits about.  It's vaguely irritating, so I give one shit, maybe one and a quarter.  It just annoys me when people rally against someone trying to stand against perceived injustice.

[MrWiggles]

But I though the arbitrary mark was 'breast larger then her head', which those aren't. Just because a whoops help finalized her design shouldnt make it sexist.

[scriver]

..."Breasts larger than head" is not the mark of sexism, it's what marks sexism of extremely fucking ridiculous levels.

The lady looked impressive all over, far more realistic than other games even attempted. Complete realism wasn't possible, of course, and Gard intended Lara to have somewhat exaggerated dimensions from the start. While making test adjustments to her girlish figure, a slip of his mouse turned an intended 50% increase to her breast size into a 150% gain. It met with instant approval from the team before he could correct it.

Yeah right, "slip of the hand". More like "look guys boobz lol".

[Valid_Dark]

I certainly haven't seen any fictional females "outside of obvious parody" that have HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK level cleavage.

Cleavage - noun  The area between a woman's breasts, especially when revealed by a low-cut neckline.

I see no cleavage in the linked picture.

[Microcline]

...Denying that there are any problems with the portrayal of women in videogames is unlikely to win you many allies outside of Reddit.

Why does everyone bringing up Reddit? What is with this huge perceived hive of scum and misogyny on Reddit?

There's how much they whined when they were forced to shut down /r/jailbait, the entirety of /r/MRA, that creepy thread where they bragged about committing rape, and the overall fact that they're 4chan without any of the originality, humor, or self-awareness.

Whoa, where did anyone get that Other M was made by Japanese misogynist? Its a pretty terrible game, but the down grade on Samsus as a character isn't due to misogyny, but due to the production studios being completely fucking wrong for the game.

The story was written and directed almost entirely by Yoshio Sakamoto.  Given how proud Sakamoto is of the plot, it's pretty clear that he's incompetent (given the egregious plot holes) and sexist to the point where one can assume he has never had contact with a woman.  Team Ninja can really only be blamed for the mediocre gameplay, and even that can be somewhat excused due to the fact that if Sakamoto hadn't been so draconian about linear unskippable cutscenes they might have been able to add some actual metroidvania elements to the game.

I certainly haven't seen any fictional females "outside of obvious parody" that have HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK level cleavage.

Cleavage - noun  The area between a woman's breasts, especially when revealed by a low-cut neckline.

I see no cleavage in the linked picture.

There's no need to be pedantic; we all know what he's referring to.  It's also funny how tame 1996 Laura seems compared to some of the other examples brought up.  I think it'd even be arguable that that character is not portrayed in a deeply misogynistic way (the creepy eroticised sadism of the 2012 E3 trailer is another story though).

"a bizarre fetish creature"

I'm afraid I don't speak reaction image. Would you be so kind as to explain what you find so entertaining about my post?

Most likely the fact that we've moved from mocking terrible kickstarters to trying to hash out what constitutes a "bizarre fetish creature".  As much as I agree with him, I must admit we've got the wolf by the ear in with this debate.

[Microcline]

I think we need a sexism thread or something now.

It might be best if we just dropped the subject.  As much as I respect the maturity of the Bay 12 forums, a group of neckbeards discussing feminism has too much potential to become a trainwreck, and I'd rather not tarnish the forum's reputation or burden Toady with having to moderate such a mess.