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[MrWiggles]

Penny Arcade is a comic, primarily. It has other business interest but its primarily a web comic.
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Web Hosting, Lawyer Fees, Living Expense host of misc. expenses with funding the project is acceptable use of the money raised. Lots of other crowd source projects have similar misc. indirect costs for their projects which they hope to pay for through crowd sourcing.
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How is this project different from Giant in the Playground reprinting old comic collections? And if you look at their funding graphs you'll see various spaces marked as 'administrative costs'. Which probably include talking to lawyers, getting things copy righted, paying for extra warehouse space. A whole host of legit indirect expenses for for his kickstarter project.

[Jackrabbit]

That's not pornographic, it's just crass. A huge improvement, obviously. But more importantly, like I said, removing ads is the goal so PA can produce more content which puts this really in the catagory of art and comics. That the money is to support the buisness doesn't stop the creation of more content from being the goal. I see no reason this is a problem or even a misuse of kicksarter. That said, what is the ra problrm here for you? That it's not what kickstarter is for? Even if that's the case (and I disagree) what could possibly be the negative consequences of them doing this? These objections seem like pedantry and upholding the letter of law, not the spirit.

[kaijyuu]

Personally, I could see Kickstarter leaving it up for no other reason than dollars and cents. Who many million do you think they're raise? I'm betting at least 1.5.

[MrWiggles]

I dont even see how they're violating the letter of the law here.

There seem to be some unquantifiable arbitrary success level, where you're not allowed to use Crowd Funding, which is only arbitrary applied. For someone reason, Penny Arcade is consider successful enough, but not loved enough to use crowd sourcing.

[Draco18s]

Penny Arcade is a comic, primarily. It has other business interest but its primarily a web comic.

If they raise exactly $250,000, what, exactly, will they be producing with that money that they wouldn't have otherwise produced?  I can find nothing in their entire...thing other than "remove ads from the leaderboard page."

[MrWiggles]

Penny Arcade is a comic, primarily. It has other business interest but its primarily a web comic.

If they raise exactly $250,000, what, exactly, will they be producing with that money that they wouldn't have otherwise produced?  I can find nothing in their entire...thing other than "remove ads from the leaderboard page."

Where was this bitching with Orge with Steve Jackson games?

[ToonyMan]

I can eat ice cream with them if I pay $50,000??  Sold.

[MrWiggles]

I can eat ice cream with them if I pay $50,000??  Sold.

Erroneous much?

[Jackrabbit]

No? "2 x $25,000: You'll be given the grand tour of Penny Arcade HQ and afterwards we'll all go out for dinner and ice cream!"

[lordcooper]

Penny Arcade is a comic, primarily. It has other business interest but its primarily a web comic.

If they raise exactly $250,000, what, exactly, will they be producing with that money that they wouldn't have otherwise produced?  I can find nothing in their entire...thing other than "remove ads from the leaderboard page."

What are your advertising guys going to do without this work?
We're going to shift them from "sell ad space" jobs to "make things" jobs. That's the company we intend to be. They were nervous at first, but now they can't stop thinking about what's next. It's all human bandwidth we can put toward the next surprise.

And several other examples throughout the text

[penguinofhonor]

It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's kickstarter for a reason. It's supposed to help out people who are trying to start new things.

I understand they could make new stuff with a million dollars, but come on. They're Penny Arcade. They have several video games about them, they run the most popular webcomic on the internet, and they run two huge gaming conventions a year.

I'd understand if they had a specific new project or something that they wanted a final push towards, but this is just too vague. I just feel like they've hyped up kickstarter to their fans, and now they're cashing in on the hype they created.

If anyone who wasn't Penny Arcade made a Kickstarter that was "Yeah, I just want to pay the bills so I have more time to do some more cool stuff with my life" then they'd get shut down in an instant. I don't expect Kickstarter to shut down a free couple thousand dollars, though.

That was pretty rambling and unrelated. I hope there's some sort of point there though.

[MrWiggles]

But that kind of thing is just completely arbitrary though. And if that was the rule, that they were successful then we have to shutdown Shadowrun, Orge, Wasteland Sequel, Carmengeddon, Leisure Suit Larry, Order of the Stick, Double Fine Adventures, and whole host of others I'm forgetting about.

The ones listed above aren't about bring something new (Well Double Fine Adventure is), and all the project leaders for these things are successful in their field. (Double Fine Adventure is professionally successful but commercially not so much.)

How is Penny Arcade really different from the above projects?

[lordcooper]

Ultimately, these guys want to free up their staff to create content rather than sell ad space and (judging by the speed this is getting funded) a lot of people are happy to pay money for this to happen.  Is there actually an argument here that doesn't revolve around it 'bringing down the good name of Kickstarter' or some similar trollop?  I'm really not sure who's losing out in all this.

[forsaken1111]

Ultimately, these guys want to free up their staff to create content rather than sell ad space and (judging by the speed this is getting funded) a lot of people are happy to pay money for this to happen.  Is there actually an argument here that doesn't revolve around it 'bringing down the good name of Kickstarter' or some similar trollop?  I'm really not sure who's losing out in all this.

Nobody has to lose, people are just pointing out that this is against the rules.

Hell if it's okay to kickstarter just to 'free up staff to create content' then I could toss myself on there. If I made a million dollars I could stop working and create content, after all.

[Jackrabbit]

I don't see how that's any sort of an argument. I mean, sure, go ahead, but you won't make any money. They, however, will make a lot of money that will go towards providing new content to their fans provided the fans feel it's worth it and what's wrong with that, exactly?

e: I missed this the first time around, but people were saying that the PA guys following your tweets for a year was a ridiculous rewards. What? How fantastic would that be as a platform to advertise any of your projects or projects you think deserve to come to their attention? Considering how much traffic PA has the capacity to direct based on what the PA guys are currently interested in, it could be an enormously powerful marketing tool if not done in an obnoxious manner.