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A funnel! And all they need for this ingenious new idea is $5000!

Have to agree with that podcast. It gives everyone who deserves to fail the chance to.

Spoken like someone who's never thought about starting a business... that $5000 is quite honestly very likely to be too little. Which is too bad, the idea is really good- I know my mom would buy one. Might be good for moving oil between quart bottles too. If he's splitting it out, then I guess it'll work.

[evilcherry]

I think boardgames do especially well on kickstarter, since BGG works as such a good resource. And eurogamers tend to take things into perspective.

We've had only 3 pledges come in from BBG.

Nah, I mean, at least you won't overcharge your customers too much

[lordcooper]

Here is what I am looking at from a cost stand point.

3 Game Designers, 2 Concept Artists, 8 programmers, 5 3d artists, 2 texture artists, 4 2d artists, 3 3d artists, 2 cinematic Animators, 1 graphic designer and 1 project manager/producer.

1.  What exactly is a game designer?
2.  What differentiates 2d artists from texture and concept artists?
3.  He needs 5 3d artists and 3 3d artists.
4.  Will this game have no sound?

[mattie2009]

Here is what I am looking at from a cost stand point.

3 Game Designers, 2 Concept Artists, 8 programmers, 5 3d artists, 2 texture artists, 4 2d artists, 3 3d artists, 2 cinematic Animators, 1 graphic designer and 1 project manager/producer.

1.  What exactly is a game designer?
2.  What differentiates 2d artists from texture and concept artists?
3.  He needs 5 3d artists and 3 3d artists.
4.  Will this game have no sound?

1. I was about to say "Maybe he means programmers", but then I saw that he has programmers on that list so I guess he's just stupid.
2. The octopus in his brain.
3. He needs to be locked up.
4. Good question, donate one buck and go pester him about it.

[etgfrog]

1.  What exactly is a game designer?

i think this explains it pretty well
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/so-you-want-to-be-a-game-designer

[MrWiggles]

So the, The chronicles of Avalon on kickstarters, that was linked earlier is just all kinds of sad. There is self confidence, then there is sucking your own dick. I mean, he suck his own dick so much, he's going to catch a new STD.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/916211944/the-chronicles-of-avalon
He's going to bring us something BEYOND AMAZING! Which is why proof reading, and typographical error corrections is below him, or above him? Beyond him?


I was so swayed by his utter arrogance that I had to go find more information on this Chris Evan, in
how he is going to bring something BEYOND AMAZING to life.

http://www.helium.com/users/336650/show_articles
It's not good. His only article on there doesnt have any citation, and is poorly structured. I know that I don't have the greatest typing ability on these forums, but I consider this more relax place and I dont often claim to be a professional writer who is going to make the Great American Sci Fi story.

His kickstarter page doesn't have any sample chapters, but you can read example of 'Fate the The chronicles of Avalon.' (Note this is what he literally linked to these chapters on helium self publishing site.)

http://www.freewebs.com/csevans/
It's nothing terribly exciting, or gripping, astounding or anything. It's incredibly average, and cliche. Though it does have less typographical errors, and has better structure then his other work. I'm considering doing a dramatic reading of it.

[Draco18s]

I think boardgames do especially well on kickstarter, since BGG works as such a good resource. And eurogamers tend to take things into perspective.

We've had only 3 pledges come in from BBG.

Nah, I mean, at least you won't overcharge your customers too much

Oh that.
See, being a bunch of board game geeks ourselves (Andrew I invited to Global Game Jam specifically for his ability to dissect game rules, and his vast experience playing board games) we knew what a board game cost.

[mattie2009]

So the, The chronicles of Avalon on kickstarters, that was linked earlier is just all kinds of sad. There is self confidence, then there is sucking your own dick. I mean, he suck his own dick so much, he's going to catch a new STD.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/916211944/the-chronicles-of-avalon
He's going to bring us something BEYOND AMAZING! Which is why proof reading, and typographical error corrections is below him, or above him? Beyond him?

>All rewards are limited
That's fucking stupid. I can't even tell you how terrible that is because after all the rewards are used up-- IF they get used up, what's the incentive to donate?

>Minimum reward is $20, reward is keyring
Also complete balls. I bet I could get a good, solid keyring for less than £5. That keyring had better be made of solid gold or it won't be worth it.

>Text-based Autofellatio
Holy shit dude, your spine must be contorted into a pretzel. You're building up unrealistic expectations AND giving everyone something to laugh at you about in one fell swoop. Stick to low-key promises (or even better, don't promise anything because then you're not setting your audience up for dissapointment). If this doesn't get funded (or worse, gets funded but doesn't pan out), you've successfully pissed a LOT of people off.

[forsaken1111]

So the, The chronicles of Avalon on kickstarters, that was linked earlier is just all kinds of sad. There is self confidence, then there is sucking your own dick. I mean, he suck his own dick so much, he's going to catch a new STD.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/916211944/the-chronicles-of-avalon
He's going to bring us something BEYOND AMAZING! Which is why proof reading, and typographical error corrections is below him, or above him? Beyond him?

>All rewards are limited
That's fucking stupid. I can't even tell you how terrible that is because after all the rewards are used up-- IF they get used up, what's the incentive to donate?

>Minimum reward is $20, reward is keyring
Also complete balls. I bet I could get a good, solid keyring for less than £5. That keyring had better be made of solid gold or it won't be worth it.

>Text-based Autofellatio
Holy shit dude, your spine must be contorted into a pretzel. You're building up unrealistic expectations AND giving everyone something to laugh at you about in one fell swoop. Stick to low-key promises (or even better, don't promise anything because then you're not setting your audience up for dissapointment). If this doesn't get funded (or worse, gets funded but doesn't pan out), you've successfully pissed a LOT of people off.

Just took a look at that. Okay so... he wants us to fund his... book? Fine fine. The 20k he wants isn't going to get a book published though, so what is the money for? food so he can write the book? I wonder if he's even written any of it yet. If he can honestly deliver a 'deeper literary experience' than any other author, he wouldn't have trouble getting published by an actual publisher. If he were serious about the project, he could post snippets of the text to show off his skill rather than spoil the whole goddamn plot in the first paragraph of the project description. Also I see several errors in the written description and the whole thing is pretty bad. If he can't even write a good description of his book which would make me want to read it, I wonder how he expects to keep my interest once I buy in...

[lordcooper]

>All rewards are limited
That's fucking stupid. I can't even tell you how terrible that is because after all the rewards are used up-- IF they get used up, what's the incentive to donate?

It is especially stupid if you do the maths.

20 x 75 = 1500
60 x 30 = 1800
100 x 25 = 2500
500 x 15 = 7500

Total = $13,300

The goal is $20,000.  It is literally impossible for this to be funded, unless people donate significantly more than the minimum to enter a reward tier.

[Draco18s]

The goal is $20,000.  It is literally impossible for this to be funded, unless people donate significantly more than the minimum to enter a reward tier.

Or simply donate and request no reward.

Anyway, I sent the guy a message.  I don't really care if he replies or changes his reward levels.

[mattie2009]

>All rewards are limited
That's fucking stupid. I can't even tell you how terrible that is because after all the rewards are used up-- IF they get used up, what's the incentive to donate?

It is especially stupid if you do the maths.

20 x 75 = 1500
60 x 30 = 1800
100 x 25 = 2500
500 x 15 = 7500

Total = $13,300

The goal is $20,000.  It is literally impossible for this to be funded, unless people donate significantly more than the minimum to enter a reward tier.

I suspected as much. This guy is going to get a harsh lesson in teh mathematics.


I guess it's true what they say; Writers really can't do math.

[AlStar]

http://www.freewebs.com/csevans/
It's nothing terribly exciting, or gripping, astounding or anything. It's incredibly average, and cliche. Though it does have less typographical errors, and has better structure then his other work. I'm considering doing a dramatic reading of it.

The leaders of each world gathered together deep in talks about a place that would be the shining star in the galaxy. After many years their dream finally became a reality, and indeed it was a shining star of their new empire as they had dreamed.  A city brighter then any star in the night sky shone as a symbol of hope for across the vastness of space.

(Highlighting mine)

Ick. I'm sure I could come up with much worse; but honestly, between the odd capitalization, punctuation and confusing sentence structure, even just that first paragraph drained me of my will to live.

I want people not to to put the book down and weep when it's sad...

It's sad, and I'm weeping... but I don't think this is what the author had in mind.
If this is a "literary experience that goes beyond all others," then apparently the author has never read anything over a grade school primer.


edit: Ok, I couldn't help myself. Here's the next paragraph:

The  joy that all the united worlds shared was short lived. Soon ships began moving into uncharted parts of the galaxy in hopes of finding new worlds.  Deep in the darkness one small ship would alter the fate of the galaxy. They came across an area of space that had not seen the light of light of civilization In well more than ten thousand years. The Omatanar called this place “Nacdehk bmyla uv dra tacdnuoanc” Which means resting place of the destroyers. Pushing on despite warnings they passed the great barrier and came across a beautiful untouched world. Unknowingly this one ship  released a dark force from their eternal prison. Moving a storm nothing was strong enough to stop them world after world fell to the power of the storm until only one remained.

Note that, at this point in the story (the second paragraph), we've never heard of who or what the 'Omatanar' are/were. Generally speaking, after calling them out by name, it would be a good time to give some description about them... but nope, apparently they just named this place.

"Pushing on despite warnings" - What warnings? The fact that these Omatanar guys called the place "The resting place of the destroyers"? Hell, that could just be a poor translation for a rest stop.

"They passed the great barrier" - What barrier?

"Moving a storm nothing was strong enough to stop them world after world fell to the power of the storm until only one remained. " - The first part of that sentence is just a 'huh?' Moving like a storm, maybe?

This guy makes my head hurt.

[MaximumZero]

Isn't every star in the galaxy a shining star?

[Trapezohedron]

Ugh, writer guy are sick.