Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: 1 ... 178 179 [180] 181 182 ... 213

Author Topic: When Kickstarter goes wrong?  (Read 678641 times)

DJ

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2685 on: August 04, 2014, 06:00:41 am »

But I at least sympathies with parents... How much wealth of children's books are there where the female character is the hero determined by her own physical strength and combat skill and not just strength of character, intelligence, and wits (Since there are A FREEKEN metric ton of those...)...
Well how much children's books are there where any lead character prevails through strength and combat skill? The lead being the underdog who ultimately wins either by cunning or by karma for being such a good-hearted person (example) is pretty much the norm. Even in The Princess Bride the male lead who is ridiculously skilled at everything gets badly handicapped before the final showdown. There's just no tension otherwise, badass swordfighting or whatnot doesn't really work outside of a visual medium like movies.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 06:04:01 am by DJ »
Logged
Urist, President has immigrated to your fortress!
Urist, President mandates the Dwarven Bill of Rights.

Cue magma.
Ah, the Magma Carta...

tuypo1

  • Bay Watcher
  • i really apreciate a good analogy
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2686 on: August 04, 2014, 06:10:12 am »

But I at least sympathies with parents... How much wealth of children's books are there where the female character is the hero determined by her own physical strength and combat skill and not just strength of character, intelligence, and wits (Since there are A FREEKEN metric ton of those...)...
Well how much children's books are there where any lead character prevails through strength and combat skill? The lead being the underdog who ultimately wins either by cunning or by karma for being such a good-hearted person (example) is pretty much the norm. Even in The Princess Bride the male lead who is ridiculously skilled at everything gets badly handicapped before the final showdown. There's just no tension otherwise, badass swordfighting or whatnot doesn't really work outside of a visual medium like movies.

You could have them lift a massive rock or pull back heavy bowstrings
Logged
important project progress

have some basic idea of whats going to go in it

DJ

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2687 on: August 04, 2014, 06:15:52 am »

Or squeeze water from stone perhaps? But seriously, is it bad to teach children to rely on brains rather than brawn?
Logged
Urist, President has immigrated to your fortress!
Urist, President mandates the Dwarven Bill of Rights.

Cue magma.
Ah, the Magma Carta...

Neonivek

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2688 on: August 04, 2014, 06:19:06 am »

Or squeeze water from stone perhaps? But seriously, is it bad to teach children to rely on brains rather than brawn?

Apparently if they are girls... yes.

Ok yeah that was a bad joke.

I think it is mostly just a reaction to the current burst of strong female roles we have been having lately.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 06:26:01 am by Neonivek »
Logged

tuypo1

  • Bay Watcher
  • i really apreciate a good analogy
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2689 on: August 04, 2014, 06:30:46 am »

Or squeeze water from stone perhaps? But seriously, is it bad to teach children to rely on brains rather than brawn?

Apparently if they are girls... yes.

Ok yeah that was a bad joke.
Ok bad joke but
 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped
We should teach kids there's nothing wrong with brawn sure brain is usually better but it's not always practicle do you want to teach kids to shame strong people make sure they ostracise supplement obsesed muscle at the expense of all else idiots but not people that are just strong   
Logged
important project progress

have some basic idea of whats going to go in it

miauw62

  • Bay Watcher
  • Every time you get ahead / it's just another hit
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2690 on: August 04, 2014, 06:32:47 am »

The cybermatrix got 504 dollars.

it was succesfully funded
Logged

Quote from: NW_Kohaku
they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the raving confessions of a mass murdering cannibal from a recipe to bake a pie.
Knowing Belgium, everyone will vote for themselves out of mistrust for anyone else, and some kind of weird direct democracy coalition will need to be formed from 11 million or so individuals.

Neonivek

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2691 on: August 04, 2014, 06:39:43 am »

I remember Jane and the Dragon where Jane becomes a knight in Training. One of the aspects is that she is weaker then a typical Knight in training, just look at her, so her Knight that she is apprenticing for happens to be one that compliments her as she gets around her lack of power with skill and speed. Yet she doesn't skimp on the physical aspects of her training, she just needs to rely on a different edge.

While her rival is given the worse of the two knights (and honestly that knight makes me question why he is a knight...) because his natural aptitude at being a knight means he doesn't need much help. While early on he is somewhat of a villain, it is shown that it is mostly because he is being pressured to excel and tends to be lectured whenever he loses to Jane... yet is shown to be truly honorable.

I love Jane and the Dragon mind you. It has this way of making every character alive and interesting. Even the most annoying brats of a character (The King's son) has sort of bits of character that makes him intriguing, for example though he is spoiled, he is too soft or kind hearted to enjoy hunting... a hint that he may actually have what it takes to be a good kind king.

But still tuypo1 the issue is mostly "Brawn is good" usually goes without saying, even for a kid. The reason why most things don't go "Brawn is ok" is because that by itself means nothing.

It is about how to use force, when to use it, and for what reason.

Children don't "Grow muscle" (at least most don't) so they don't really deal with that.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 06:42:28 am by Neonivek »
Logged

tuypo1

  • Bay Watcher
  • i really apreciate a good analogy
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2692 on: August 04, 2014, 06:56:16 am »

Yep Jane and the dragon did a great job of making her gender revelevt in a good way eh old still being a strong character

Also Jane and the dragon made me think of potatos and dragons
Logged
important project progress

have some basic idea of whats going to go in it

Glloyd

  • Bay Watcher
  • Against the Tide
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2693 on: August 04, 2014, 09:32:06 am »

The cybermatrix got 504 dollars.

it was succesfully funded

God help us all.

Graknorke

  • Bay Watcher
  • A bomb's a bad choice for close-range combat.
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2694 on: August 13, 2014, 07:03:47 pm »

Well how much children's books are there where any lead character prevails through strength and combat skill?
Well it's because stuff like that... isn't very interesting.
Like the bits of Achilles' story where he goes around fighting for weeks on end. Those would be of much interest were they to go into great detail of each fight like you would in a fight with a weaker protagonist because, well, of course he's going to win he's invincible. And if the main challenge your protagonist has to overcome is a straight-up fight, having either a victory that has them obviously superior and winning or the fight isn't described because of the former fact, well...
It's not a very satisfying conclusion is it?
Logged
Cultural status:
Depleted          ☐
Enriched          ☑

DJ

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2695 on: August 14, 2014, 01:56:45 am »

That was kind of my point. You don't really have much clever twists in straight-up fights, and as M Night Shyamalan has taught us, you can't have a good story without a twist.
Logged
Urist, President has immigrated to your fortress!
Urist, President mandates the Dwarven Bill of Rights.

Cue magma.
Ah, the Magma Carta...

Graknorke

  • Bay Watcher
  • A bomb's a bad choice for close-range combat.
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2696 on: August 14, 2014, 04:22:41 am »

That was kind of my point. You don't really have much clever twists in straight-up fights, and as M Night Shyamalan has taught us, you can't have a good story without a twist.
Oh, sorry. Thought you were saying it's a bad thing.
Logged
Cultural status:
Depleted          ☐
Enriched          ☑

BlitzDungeoneer

  • Bay Watcher
  • heh
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2697 on: August 14, 2014, 04:25:18 am »

The cybermatrix got 504 dollars.

it was succesfully funded
Ye gods above. We're doomed.
Logged
Swordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordsword

MorleyDev

  • Bay Watcher
  • "It is not enough for it to just work."
    • View Profile
    • MorleyDev
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2698 on: August 14, 2014, 07:15:58 am »

« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 07:20:58 am by MorleyDev »
Logged

penguinofhonor

  • Bay Watcher
  • Minister of Love
    • View Profile
Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #2699 on: August 15, 2014, 12:27:42 am »

Kickstarters are popular? Streaming sites are popular? Kickstartering a streaming site is practically free money.

Highlight: I have no idea whether the last g in "RBCGamingg" is a typo.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 178 179 [180] 181 182 ... 213