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Author Topic: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)  (Read 24604 times)

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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2012, 02:28:22 pm »
I don't anyone realistically expects clones to have anything beyond the same dna.

But we aren't talking about clones here - we are talking about copies. Thats something quite different. And these are 100% human, likely very expensive copies.

At the moment of creation, they are (for the purpose of our hypotheticals) identical to when you were scanned. Completely so.

Think of it like.... a branch on a tree. The branch splits. The branches that emerge from each side of the split are different, yes, and we could argue those are different branches, but the their history is that of being the same branch. Your and an identical copy are the same person up until you begin having different experiences. The key here is to prune before that gets too far along.

If half a tree is destroyed, but the other half thrives, does the tree live? If a tree is bisected, but both pieces live, does the tree live? Are the two sections the same tree? What if we keep them next to each other? What if we ship half across an ocean? If it is an apple tree, are the apples delicious? Not equally delicious, just delicious would be. I'm pretty hungry.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2012, 02:28:37 pm »
Well, for transporting non-living matter or even non-sentient organisms it would be more than adequate.
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« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2012, 02:29:37 pm »
kaijyuu - "you" would be seeing through both eyes, in terms of your history up until that moment. You just wouldn't have access to the new stuff sent to your second brain is all.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2012, 02:30:42 pm »
Quote from: Criptfeind on March 16, 2012, 02:21:34 pm
Is that not a selfish view point to have UltraValican? Only that you matter? What about your clone? What about the people that love you and want you back as a clone? What about them?
It is a bit selfish, but would you really want your family to think of you as nothing more than " a nice guy, we might clone him if he croaks". I just feel like cloning for the sake of replacing people is a bit de-humanizing. I personally would be insulted if I knew I was going to be cloned.
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The major difference between a clone and a copy is clones aren't you, they just look like you to a certain extent. Copies ARE you. In every way.

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Okay, a copy of me then. I don't feel like replacing words today.
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I don't have a good enough body image to do that BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE


I too would not use the kill/recreate method of teleportation, because I don't think "I" would be seeing through those new eyes any more than I see through other people's right now.
Shinobi, Shinobi everywhere. Pretty much this.

I wouldn't pork a clone/copy of myself. I make a damn good wingman though....
Maybe cloning/copying people isn't such a bad idea.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2012, 02:40:30 pm »
Oh holy shit wrong thread.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2012, 03:45:50 pm »
So, would Clonecest technically be masturbation?
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2012, 03:48:42 pm »
Clonecest, no, copycest, maybe. E: But seriously, should probably stop this line of inquiry before we run into the forum ToS.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2012, 03:54:00 pm »
UV needs to learn that clone and copy are very different words. Reading his posts are confusing. Assuming "copied"....

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I just feel like cloning for the sake of replacing people is a bit de-humanizing. I personally would be insulted if I knew I was going to be cloned.
Why would making more humans be de-humanizing? Why would someone making a copy of you be insulting? Would you feel insulted when you find out you that were a copy, or would the dead you be retroactively insulted?

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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2012, 03:56:40 pm »
Might have something to do with the idea of uniqueness = having value, so removing uniqueness = reducing value.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2012, 03:56:52 pm »
I've seen enough Star Trek to see this can go wrong.


But I would only do it if the guy operating the teleporter was named/nicknamed "Scotty".
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« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2012, 04:29:49 pm »
kaij, that's why you destroy the one that's not in the location you want. Any value loss is momentary.

(Though more seriously I would find have two of me more valuable than having one, not even counting twice the maintenance )
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2012, 04:44:15 pm »
Come to think of it, I think "teleportation", if it is invented within our lifetimes, will probably involve moving through a parallel world (a la one of the faster-than-light neutrino explanations) allowing us to move from one place to another without going through the intervening space on "our world".  Obviously proof for parallel worlds isn't really there at the moment, but I think that's more likely to be true than the mindbogglingly complex equipment that would be needed to perfectly scan and reproduce every molecule in someone's body.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #72 on: March 16, 2012, 05:05:16 pm »
I think I would prefer Futuramas transportation tubes.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #73 on: March 16, 2012, 05:06:39 pm »
Personally, I wouldn't step on a teleporter if it destroys the original until there is 100% concrete proof that my current 'existence' is also transferred.

I don't care if nobody notices the difference, I don't care if there's absolutely no difference in state of mind or body, this current 'existence' prefers to live thank you very much.
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Re: NEVER use teleportation (if it's invented in our lifetimes.)
« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2012, 05:14:10 pm »
Yep.

I like my continuity, thank you very much.

I wouldn't mind copying myself a whole bunch of times, though. Have my very own research team that works on exactly what I want! Because we'd all want it!

Immortality, here we come. Descan Empire, soon after.

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