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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2012, 02:39:30 pm »

This isn't new.
I know it isn't really all that new, and that this is just another item in the long line of blatant violations of the bill of rights, but things really have gone downhill recently.  I'm just wondering where the outrage is.  I mean, compare this to something like SOPA.  With SOPA, you could argue incompetence on the part of our representatives.  Half of them don't even seem to understand what this whole "internet" thing is all about.  One would hope that anyone in the US government would be at least somewhat familiar with the bill of rights.  There are only 10 of them, and they're pretty explicit in regards to what the government can and cannot do.

With SOPA, there was a rather passionate backlash.  You couldn't go anywhere online without hearing about it.  Wikipedia and a number of other popular mainstream websites were blacked out, yet this kind of thing seems to get a pass, even though it's much, much worse.  The cynical side of me says that the only a fuss was made about SOPA was because there were a number of large business interests opposed to it.

I guess I just feel a little angry and helpless and wanted to vent.

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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2012, 03:02:53 pm »

Cracking AES, I'd be impressed about. But far less so than if some non-government guy did it.

Fuck the rest of it.
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2012, 03:48:18 pm »

...  The constitution has had portions whited out and ignored for generations. ...
the US citizen still loses all civil rights.  Most notably, the right to vote and hold public office, although in the case in question they were addressing a 2nd amendment challenge.
As if any of those rights privileges illusions really matter, anyways.

Then how was GWB re-elected?
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2012, 05:33:22 pm »

...  The constitution has had portions whited out and ignored for generations. ...
the US citizen still loses all civil rights.  Most notably, the right to vote and hold public office, although in the case in question they were addressing a 2nd amendment challenge.
As if any of those rights privileges illusions really matter, anyways.

Then how was GWB re-elected?

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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2012, 07:35:57 pm »

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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2012, 09:19:55 pm »

I wonder, I wonder, the pressure it takes
Til acceptance withers, and tolerance breaks.


Ooooh, we should start a new "occupy" movement (Occupy Utah NSA Datacenter?) with this as the motto.  :D
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2012, 01:51:22 am »

For the paranoid folks out there, here's Gibiru, a Google-like search engine that uses a proxy to perform your internet searches so you can't be tracked. From what it sounds like, you'd get even more news articles and websites that are blacklisted by the NSA and Google, too, so it's win-win. Apparently you can use Safari along with it and be as incognito as Ezio Auditore after tearing down four wanted posters, except Ezio wasn't using the internet.
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2012, 10:21:25 am »

^ Bookmarked.
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2012, 01:02:48 pm »

I thought the US had been doing this for years anyway?  Arent they one of the best funded spy mobs in the us?

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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2012, 01:10:45 pm »

For the paranoid folks out there, here's Gibiru, a Google-like search engine that uses a proxy to perform your internet searches so you can't be tracked. From what it sounds like, you'd get even more news articles and websites that are blacklisted by the NSA and Google, too, so it's win-win. Apparently you can use Safari along with it and be as incognito as Ezio Auditore after tearing down four wanted posters, except Ezio wasn't using the internet.


I'm curious as to how their methodology works.  And then I had thought.  What if the Men In Black made a "totally seven-proxy secure untrackable" browser and put it out on the Internet, and then track anybody using it?
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2012, 01:13:27 pm »

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I'm curious as to how their methodology works.  And then I had thought.  What if the Men In Black made a "totally seven-proxy secure untrackable" browser and put it out on the Internet, and then track anybody using it?

It would make sense, since traffic through privately (not a major ISP) owned servers is one of the few things they can't get at without a formal court order.

Also I fell in love with this article when it quoted a Jorge Luis Borges story to reference the UDC. I don't think there could be a more apt name for it than the Tower of Babel.
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2012, 01:46:01 pm »

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Just because they can collect all of this data doesn't mean they have the manpower to really sort through it to any meaningful degree.

This is what analytics are for. Algorithms will sort data and group them into relevant entities.
Or they could have people do it by hand and solve the unemployment issue in one stroke.

And hey, having every 6th citizen working for Stasi worked for DDR, so it should work for USA too.
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2012, 01:50:29 pm »

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Just because they can collect all of this data doesn't mean they have the manpower to really sort through it to any meaningful degree.

This is what analytics are for. Algorithms will sort data and group them into relevant entities.
Or they could have people do it by hand and solve the unemployment issue in one stroke.

And hey, having every 6th citizen working for Stasi worked for DDR, so it should work for USA too.

I'm picturing NSA guys driving down to Home Depot in a pickup truck and hiring Mexicans. "Cryptoanalysis senor? Si si, es muy facile, I do real cheap."
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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 10:39:46 pm »

Not new is a bit of an understatement here. That's kinda what the NSA had like always done. It's the part of the US Intel apparatus that actually works almost effectively. Of course, it's always been a matter of trying to to sift the proverbial fire hose with a teacup. Call it more like sifting several firehoses with a teacup? What's one step up from a firehose?

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Re: Massive NSA Datacenter in Utah
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 10:44:45 pm »

Lol thats a 30 minute drive out there for me, i wondered what they were doing out there near the prisons.
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