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Author Topic: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?  (Read 8240 times)

NW_Kohaku

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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2012, 09:52:35 pm »

I don't think empirical testing has been done to compare bow and crossbow ranges.

I just did, and as far as I could tell, the different weapons don't have different ranges. Nor did skill have anything to do with it.

Can you tell us what the absolute range is, then?
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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2012, 10:01:56 pm »

since height doesn't apply a good 10-14 tiles is the range, i played with the testing arena and put archers on the second floor of the fort behind the fortifications while enemy archers are 1 "shift + up arrow" away from them, i don't know if experience helps or not or if bows just have better range.
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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2012, 10:23:52 pm »



That was the point at which dwarves stopped moving and started shooting.
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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2012, 10:36:03 pm »

so 20 tiles, but are they acurrent when shooting that far? i mean elite marksmen probably ace that but the milita dwarves probably wouldn't be able to hit anything at that distance.
So what would be the best range that could give the milita a chance of hitting something?
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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2012, 10:41:38 pm »

Do we actually know if range affects accuracy?

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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2012, 11:12:36 pm »

Do we actually know if range affects accuracy?

I believe it affects it in the sense that projectiles naturally diverge from their plotted course by a random angle, and you can only hit a target when your projectile occupies the same space, and as such, the further away they are, the more likely they are to simply not be in a tile that has a bolt flying through it.
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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2012, 11:25:06 pm »

I did notice that range did affect accuracy a whole bunch - a competent at that range was getting about 30% hits, a grand master nearly 70%. Might have been just a psychological effect of the grandmaster shooting a bolt every second.
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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2012, 11:48:39 pm »

Some would have to be recorded on that.  Shouldn't be hard to get a dwarf in a pillbox shooting at a flesh ball or sponge.  Record the range and number of combat logs compared to the number of bolts.  Should end up with a table of hit percentages based on range and skill.  For purposes of testing, I'd suggest pure no-quality bolts and bows.

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Re: Why does an Elite Goblin bowman outrange my men?
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2012, 06:16:05 pm »

At least that's how I've been to understand it.  You can move diagonally as fast as you can orthogonally, so it makes sense.
I'm fairly certain that's not actually true.  Anyone have any actual data?
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