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Quiles

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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2012, 11:42:28 pm »

Cells man, always have cells! And I'm not talking prissy little bedrooms either; because there's nothing to stop a tantrum dwarf ripping that shit right off it's hinges and belting some poor bastard over the head with it.

Generally what I like to do is a have a row of about a dozen 3x2 cells accessible via drawbridge, with a nice bed and a hole in the roof to drop down food and booze, and a lever restricted to your desired inmate. The lever lures the inmate into the cell, whereupon your jailer raises the drawbridge, isolating your maniac to be in his room. Drop down booze and masterwork food and let them admire the masterwork engravings until they're back in the pink or they snap.

Later on your can renovate your cells into "Dwarven Isolation Therapy Relaxation Chambers", by setting up of grates, pumps and levers to circulate water through the cells, resulting in extra happy waterfall & bath moods. The advantages of this are threefold: they help therapize the dwarves, they can be used to quickly euthanize dwarves who have gone insane and they make excellent interrogation chambers for suspected vampires.

I havnt really experimented with dwarven justice yet, perhaps that's something to do with the reclaimed fort since there are plenty of stuffz already set up
I spent most of the 4 or so years that fort survived trying to build magma forge powered steel industry.
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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2012, 03:00:16 am »

this is why I make sure their are plenty of stones to be hauled. Ill be damned if any party happens under my watchful gaze.
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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2012, 03:15:26 am »

this is why I make sure their are plenty of stones to be hauled. Ill be damned if any party happens under my watchful gaze.

Ironic statement, considering your profile image appears to be a guy burning in hell ;-)
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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2012, 04:02:14 am »

No thats just what happens in his fortress dining halls on tuesdays.
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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2012, 08:54:45 am »

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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2012, 09:22:05 am »

Am I doing something wrong? I've never had a tantrum spiral. In the cases were my fortress did meet a fatal end all the dwarves died too quickly for one to get started, in fact the only time I had the start of one it was in a zombie crow infested tundra and that just resulted in a couple of murders then things got back to normal.

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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2012, 11:31:14 am »

Well if you build a legendary dining hall, you can have half your fort die and the rest of the dwarfs will just shrug and organize a party.

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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2012, 11:35:06 am »

Most tantrum spirals hit around the 40-100 dwarf mark, when dwarves are still pouring in at a high rate, and your not quite done with the first for levels.
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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2012, 06:34:49 am »

Well, I'm experiencing my first tantrum spiral, and its, wow

1/2 an hour ago I had 94 dwarves, current total is...... 48
There isnt a single dwarf in the entire place who isnt spending most of his time tantruming or is already insane. This was set off buy a SINGLE dwarf dying to an ambush, one of his friends got miserable and went beserk

Are tantrum spirals usually THIS devastating?
Congrats
When you reach the point where you are able to defend your fortress and keep it running with food and water, this is how your fortress will go down in 99% of all future cases. Don't now why people think this is still fun.
IMO this is the only thing on DF that really sucks.
No matter how happy your dwarfs are, if there is an ambush anf they kill fisherdwarfs or anything with a lot of friends, you can abandon your fortress.
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miauw62

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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2012, 06:48:25 am »

Well, I'm experiencing my first tantrum spiral, and its, wow

1/2 an hour ago I had 94 dwarves, current total is...... 48
There isnt a single dwarf in the entire place who isnt spending most of his time tantruming or is already insane. This was set off buy a SINGLE dwarf dying to an ambush, one of his friends got miserable and went beserk

Are tantrum spirals usually THIS devastating?
Congrats
When you reach the point where you are able to defend your fortress and keep it running with food and water, this is how your fortress will go down in 99% of all future cases. Don't now why people think this is still fun.
IMO this is the only thing on DF that really sucks.
No matter how happy your dwarfs are, if there is an ambush anf they kill fisherdwarfs or anything with a lot of friends, you can abandon your fortress.
Why adbandon?
Its half of the fun to see how your fortress goes down, and try to recover.
I once built my well without thinking about water pressure.
It was in the middle of my dining room/meeting area.
I watched amused as dwarves fleed in all direction, some fleed into the farm that was lower then the river, but higher then the rest of the fort, because i dug it out at the start and walled it up again with another enterance, it was nice to see the dwarves trapped, water infront of them, nowhere to go, the water was slowly rising.
Kind of that scene in the movie 2012 where the doors get stuck.
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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2012, 06:54:09 am »

you have a defendable fort and enough to drink and eat and you still send out fisher dorfs and have not made an underground tree farm to prevent people getting caught outside by an ambush? The worst they get from me is a cat or two. On the other hand I usually only find out about ambushes when for some strange reason my front hallway is painted red.

Last ambush was three squads and they killed someones pet cat and her three kittens who were chasing bugs outside. Further, everyone is so deliriously happy, even babies and husbands dieing doesn't upset them enough to cause a tantrum. And yes, I had a few deaths.
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« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2012, 07:51:22 am »

I just had a wicked tantrum spiral that was set off by upgrading a saved game to 34.06. Suddenly all my dwarves realized they were naked or only wearing X(Cave Spider Silk Gloves)X, and this pissed them off to no end. ~20 people dying in a necromancer ambush didn't help either. But eventually, after lots of suicides and dwarficides, it picked up again, and we're now a healthy fortress again, albeit one with a dark past.
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« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2012, 08:49:19 am »

My god I Love this game

Well, I reclaimed, and immediatly got jumped by no less than 3 goblin ambushes, but they are listed as friendly. Does this mean they will not try to murder my dwarves as they settle in?

They will be completely friendly UNTIL the first official siege - at which point they will become immediately hostile.  Best bet is to wall them in until them;  I was a bit... surprised the first time this happened during one of my reclaims.
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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2012, 08:54:52 am »

I think plain walling is a much, much better option.
They wont be able to do anything.
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Re: Holy tantrum spiral
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2012, 09:45:59 am »

My military dwarfs are expressing some anger about not being properly dressed... trousers are part of the uniform, bearded apes! So put them on! two are getting very, very close to tantrumming, this might turn fun.
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