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Author Topic: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood  (Read 4567 times)

Dragula

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Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« on: March 13, 2012, 03:55:02 pm »

Without them starving/thirsting to death?
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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 04:01:27 pm »

Put them in a burrow without a food or booze stockpile.  They'll leave to save their lives (at least so I've observed) but they'll only leave when starving/dehydrated, so they stay in a pretty foul mood.  Assigning them war dogs and then butchering them can work as well.

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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 04:15:31 pm »

Deny access to booze, and supply a well. This gives bad "nasty water" thoughts. Forbid bedrooms. Create a single bed surrounded by a reasonably large room, assign it as a public baracks, and make them fight over the bed. Bonus if you install skylights over the room by removing the ceiling after construction.  This gives you the "nauseated by the sun" and "slept in the dirt" bad thoughts.

Assign a meeting area, but not a meeting hall.  Put a single table and chair inside as free furniture.

This prevents happiness inducing parties, and causes the "not enough tables" and "not enough chairs" bad thoughts.

Install kitten waterfall, so that they get miasma from the rotting bodies, and so they constantly witness death.

Balance all the bad thoughts with engraved floors, and statues.

If insufficient, tweak them with dead pets by assigning hunting dogs, then atom smashing them. (Be careful with that though)

Once they make an artifact, relase them from the squalor burrow. Dwarves only mood once.
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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 04:34:03 pm »

Or just let them die anyway, since their artifact 99% of the time will insult the effort you made.
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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 04:46:54 pm »

Install kitten waterfall, so that they get miasma from the rotting bodies, and so they constantly witness death.
Quite the contrary, they will become used to tragedy and be more reluctant to bad moods  Particularly hardened dwarves have a fairly immobile mood that stays at a somewhat constant "fine".

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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 04:54:17 pm »

Ahh.. the dreaded "nothing bothers him anymore" thought.  Ok, hide the actual deaths, but still pipe the rotting stink into the meeting area and barracks.
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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 04:57:20 pm »

Rather, I would think a butcher shop would suffice.  Just have no stockpile for one part, like no meat stockpile, or no tanner's shop, and you should miasma pretty well.

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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 05:17:19 pm »

So far a list of sources for bad thoughts have been provided but we haven't gotten an exact recipe for how much happiness to knock off to quality for fell moods. The 20 population requirement is the same as other moods and you'll probably want to wall yourself in (don't even bother with an exit) so the misery balance isn't knocked off by an ambush killing someone.

This gives you the "nauseated by the sun"
Only applicable for dwarves who have spent a considerable amount of time underground. Normal dwarves won't give a damn about being in sunlight.
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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 05:20:51 pm »

If the meeting area and the rest of the burrow is subterene, they will cave adapt.
Open sky access also let's inclement weather in.

It has been my experience that dwarves only fell mood when they are miserable.  Runesmith reported "below 20 happiness" as being miserable.  Tantrums start around 5 or so.

So basically you want the dwarves to hover between "unhappy" and "miserable", favoring miserable.  They need happy thoughts to keep them in that zone.

If the happy thoughts appear to be winning too regularly, and dwarves reach the dreaded "fine", assign a puppy, then kill it. Do this until they are miserable, then quit.



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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 06:44:56 pm »

I made a small burrow with one bed, no food and only water and put all my dwarven childs there, think it will work?
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Re: Safest way to get fell/macabre mood
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 06:53:29 pm »

Consider having separated fortresses, with a squalor burrow for useless peasants (who've done a bit of work on the skill you want them to mood in), and a luxury burrow for dwarves you care about.  Don't allow significant mixing, so if a tantrum spiral starts in the squalor burrow, your useful dwarves will not be affected.  This also allows you to keep them off booze without slowing down miners or furnace operators or other useful dwarves. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 04:02:30 am »

Consider having separated fortresses, with a squalor burrow for useless peasants (who've done a bit of work on the skill you want them to mood in), and a luxury burrow for dwarves you care about.  Don't allow significant mixing, so if a tantrum spiral starts in the squalor burrow, your useful dwarves will not be affected.  This also allows you to keep them off booze without slowing down miners or furnace operators or other useful dwarves. 

I tried that recently, but I can scientifically confirm friendships (but not romantic entanglements) somehow happen through walls, and there is endless "can't reach item" spam.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 04:25:46 am »

If you have Nobles, the 'pretentious office/dining room/bedroom/tomb' thought is extremely powerful and doesn't take that much work to set up.

After that, the easiest one to get is 'was forced to talk to somebody annoying lately' and that simply requires putting dwarves that hold a grudge with one another in a burrow with a meeting hall. This also has the side effect of the closest dwarf being somebody that they hate in the event that a Fell Mood hits.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 06:13:03 am »

Slightly off-topic, but related question: is it possible to get fell mood artifact with 'planepacked' effect?
Does 'gathering materials' for them follow the same rules as for other moods?
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 06:39:59 am »

Consider having separated fortresses, with a squalor burrow for useless peasants (who've done a bit of work on the skill you want them to mood in), and a luxury burrow for dwarves you care about.  Don't allow significant mixing, so if a tantrum spiral starts in the squalor burrow, your useful dwarves will not be affected.  This also allows you to keep them off booze without slowing down miners or furnace operators or other useful dwarves. 

I tried that recently, but I can scientifically confirm friendships (but not romantic entanglements) somehow happen through walls, and there is endless "can't reach item" spam.

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