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[arkhometha]

Okay, I finished this.  Reliable data is HARD to find. Everything who has a source is reliable data. What this does is correct all the materials I found so everything (I didn't take a look at silk and a bunch of other things, like milk, though. But all (almost) the organic material will melt.) obliterates in magma, and changed some things so not everything ignites at the same point as wood and have the same heat resistance as wood. I submit this to anyone who wants it.
NOTE: Organic material does not melt, it will be break down in its basic components. Since I don't think DF has this, the melting point will serve as this, so a zombie, leather or an elephant will dissolve in magma.

Spoiler: Changelog (click to show/hide)

I assumed HEATDAM represents the temperature the material begins to take heat damage, charring.
Melting in some organic materials are in place to represent the destruction of these materials, the breaking of them into their basic components that happens at high temperatures.

Changed WOOD ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10450ºU (250ºC) to accurately represent the real ignite point.Source

Changed SKIN HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC) to 10099ºU (55ºC, the temperature Human skin receives a second degree burn injury. I want to better understand this change but it does not change that much, since in scorching climates in vanilla anything higher than 43ºC will make your fat melt away(and you will potentially bleed to death)). Changed ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10450ºU (250ºC) and changed melting point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC).
Source

Changed FAT ignite point from 10338ºU (188ºC) to 10504ºU (280ºC), melting point from 10078ºU (43ºC) to 10331ºU (184ºC) and boiling point from NONE to 10360ºU (200ºC) and changed the HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC, strangely, same as wood. This number is correct for wood, but not for fat. Also, why in vanilla your fat melts before tou take damage?) to 10130ºU (72ºC, point which skin get destroyed because of heat. The temperature that you get a third degree burn). Source

Changed MUSCLE IGNITE point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10468ºU (260ºC. No reliable data, just some scrap information about charred meat), changed the HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC) to 10166ºU (92ºC No hard data, estimative from a fourth degree burn.) and changed melting point from NONE to 10810ºU (450ºC. Again, no hard data. Meat doesn't melt, it's in place to ensure it's destroyed by magma.)

SYNEW is the same as MUSCLE, for balance and logical motives.

CARTILAGE is the same as MUSCLE with the temperature resistance increased a little, to try and simulate it's position when the body is burned.

TOOTH is same as BONE. Similar material/composition, bone data is the closest I will get to these materials data.

Changed HAIR ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10443ºU (246ºC, same as paper, according to source). Changed melting point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC, no hard data, just to represent, you know the drill). Source Source2

Changed BONE ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to NONE, since bone does not catch fire(NEEDS MORE SOURCES/CONFIRMANTIONS). Changed HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC) to 10540ºU (300ºC). Changed bone MELTING_POINT from NONE to 11400ºU (778ºC) to represent bones turning to ash in high temperatures(a lot of organic material don't melt, they just turn into their basic components. In the changes I made, melting represent this). This is NOT entirely accurate since according to the source it melts in a cremation chamber at 1600ºC (hotter than magma is in DF), so I set the value to something extremely high but lower than stone and magma.(Bones kinda calcifies when submitted to high temperatures, more info on source. Also, I know Magma differs from a cremation chamber, so the temperature SHOULD be lower in magma.) Source

Changed FEATHER ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10310ºU (172ºC, the ignition point of hay. It's surprisely hard to find data about hair, feather or keratin). Changed the MELTING point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC. No hard data, just adopting a point to represent it's desentegration).

Changed HORN melting point from NONE to 10540ºU (300ºC, based on source, but value is above the source valuem it's an estimative), changed IGNITE_POINT from 10508ºU (282ºC) to NONE, since they don't ignite. I want to change HEATDAM_POINT but I don't have sufficient data to infer anything. Source

Chaged CHITIN melting point from NONE to 10495ºU (275ºC), changed BOILING point from NONE to 10943ºU (524ºC), changed IGNITE_POINT from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 11130ºU (628ºC). Source Source2

Changed LEATHER ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10382 (212ºC) and changed melting point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC. As with skin, meat and bones, they technically don't melt, so this number is added only to ensure they are destroyed in magma.) Source

Changed TALLOW melting point from 10078ºU (43ºC) to 10108ºU (60ºC), changed ignite point from 10338ºU (188ºC) to 10518ºU (288ºC). Gave it the same boiling point as FAT, since they are similar and no relevant data about it was found.
Source

Changed NAIL, SCALE, HOOF, GIZZARD, all internal organs, NERVE and EYE MELTING point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC), to ensure they obliterate at high temperatures. The result is that a person will burn from the outside to the inside, the last thing melting being the bones.

Changed SHELL and PEARL melting points from NONE to 11400ºU (778ºC. Bone melting temperature, closest I have of data about this materials.)

And here's the code in pastebin. Sorry, I can't post it in this post because it exceeds the maximum length. material_template_default.txt

[Vherid]

Okay, I finished this.  Reliable data is HARD to find. Everything who has a source is reliable date. What this does is correct all the materials I found so everything (I didn't take a look at silk and a bunch of other things, like milk, though. But all the organic material will melt.) obliterates in magma, and changed some things so not everything ignites at the same point as wood and have the same heat resistance as wood. I submit this to anyone who wants it.
NOTE: Organic material does not melt, it will be break down in its basic components. Since I don't think DF has this, the melting point will serve as this, so a zombie, leather or an elephant will dissolve in magma.

Spoiler: Changelog (click to show/hide)

I assumed HEATDAM represents the temperature the material begins to take heat damage, charring.
Melting in some organic materials are in place to represent the destruction of these materials, the breaking of them into their basic components that happens at high temperatures.

Changed WOOD ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10450ºU (250ºC) to accurately represent the real ignite point.Source

Changed SKIN HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC) to 10099ºU (55ºC, the temperature Human skin receives a second degree burn injury. I want to better understand this change but it does not change that much, since in scorching climates in vanilla anything higher than 43ºC will make your fat melt away(and you will potentially bleed to death)). Changed ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10450ºU (250ºC) and changed melting point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC).
Source

Changed FAT ignite point from 10338ºU (188ºC) to 10504ºU (280ºC), melting point from 10078ºU (43ºC) to 10331ºU (184ºC) and boiling point from NONE to 10360ºU (200ºC) and changed the HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC, strangely, same as wood. This number is correct for wood, but not for fat. Also, why in vanilla your fat melts before tou take damage?) to 10130ºU (72ºC, point which skin get destroyed because of heat. The temperature that you get a third degree burn). Source

Changed MUSCLE IGNITE point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10468ºU (260ºC. No reliable data, just some scrap information about charred meat), changed the HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC) to 10166ºU (92ºC No hard data, estimative from a fourth degree burn.) and changed melting point from NONE to 10810ºU (450ºC. Again, no hard data. Meat doesn't melt, it's in place to ensure it's destroyed by magma.)

SYNEW is the same as MUSCLE, for balance and logical motives.

CARTILAGE is the same as MUSCLE with the temperature resistance increased a little, to try and simulate it's position when the body is burned.

TOOTH is same as BONE. Similar material/composition, bone data is the closest I will get to these materials data.

Changed HAIR ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10443ºU (246ºC, same as paper, according to source). Changed melting point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC, no hard data, just to represent, you know the drill). Source Source2

Changed BONE ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to NONE, since bone does not catch fire(NEEDS MORE SOURCES/CONFIRMANTIONS). Changed HEATDAM from 10250ºU (139ºC) to 10540ºU (300ºC). Changed bone MELTING_POINT from NONE to 11400ºU (778ºC) to represent bones turning to ash in high temperatures(a lot of organic material don't melt, they just turn into their basic components. In the changes I made, melting represent this). This is NOT entirely accurate since according to the source it melts in a cremation chamber at 1600ºC (hotter than magma is in DF), so I set the value to something extremely high but lower than stone and magma.(Bones kinda calcifies when submitted to high temperatures, more info on source. Also, I know Magma differs from a cremation chamber, so the temperature SHOULD be lower in magma.) Source

Changed FEATHER ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10310ºU (172ºC, the ignition point of hay. It's surprisely hard to find data about hair, feather or keratin). Changed the MELTING point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC. No hard data, just adopting a point to represent it's desentegration).

Changed HORN melting point from NONE to 10540ºU (300ºC, based on source, but value is above the source valuem it's an estimative), changed IGNITE_POINT from 10508ºU (282ºC) to NONE, since they don't ignite. I want to change HEATDAM_POINT but I don't have sufficient data to infer anything. Source

Chaged CHITIN melting point from NONE to 10495ºU (275ºC), changed BOILING point from NONE to 10943ºU (524ºC), changed IGNITE_POINT from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 11130ºU (628ºC). Source Source2

Changed LEATHER ignite point from 10508ºU (282ºC) to 10382 (212ºC) and changed melting point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC. As with skin, meat and bones, they technically don't melt, so this number is added only to ensure they are destroyed in magma.) Source

Changed TALLOW melting point from 10078ºU (43ºC) to 10108ºU (60ºC), changed ignite point from 10338ºU (188ºC) to 10518ºU (288ºC). Gave it the same boiling point as FAT, since they are similar and no relevant data about it was found.
Source

Changed NAIL, SCALE, HOOF, GIZZARD, all internal organs, NERVE and EYE MELTING point from NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC), to ensure they obliterate at high temperatures. The result is that a person will burn from the outside to the inside, the last thing melting being the bones.

Changed SHELL and PEARL melting points from NONE to 11400ºU (778ºC. Bone melting temperature, closest I have of data about this materials.)

And here's the code in pastebin. Sorry, I can't post it in this post because it exceeds the maximum length. material_template_default.txt

Damn son. That's certainly impressive then. Have you played with this at all yet? Because I wonder how terrifying, fucking with this type of shit, might be.

[arkhometha]

Damn son. That's certainly impressive then. Have you played with this at all yet? Because I wonder how terrifying, fucking with this type of shit, might be.

Thanks. I messed around with it a little but the results are... unsatisfactory. Although, I don't have data about how much time takes for people to melt in lava, I feel it's painful slowly as it is. They will generally bleed to death very quickly before melting. Corpses do melt, but they take too long(one minute and thirty one seconds, to be precise). I didn't test in scorching biomes yet, though. And I forgot to add a melting temperature to giant sponges. They drown in magma.

At least results indicate they burn from the outside to the inside properly. I will need to lower melting values, as it stands it (unsurprisingly) looks like they are in cremation chamber.

Spoiler: Boring image, just proof dead can melt (click to show/hide)

EDIT:
I set this parameters:
Changed skin melting point to 200ºC, muscle to 250ºC and bone to 400ºC.
Changed HEATDAM of bone from 300ºC to 200ºC.

The results are:
Person bleeds to death in 6 seconds - before really melting anything.

Animated corpse (only bones) is 39 seconds.

Zombie(let some humans kill themselves with their punches, put a necromancer to reanimate it. The corpse only missing part was one tooth).

Spoiler: Ten seconds in magma (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Twenty seconds in magma (click to show/hide)

Melted in 26 seconds.
So, opinions? I feel people should melt, not die of blood loss. I could lower even more the melting point, but I don't feel comfortable with it. I already changed a lot, even if the data comes from a crematorium room and we are dealing with magma. I feel I should correct the SPEC_HEAT, but I don't have the slightest clue of what unit of measurement DF uses, nor where to find the data on humans parts.. Nevermind, found some data in a old 40d wiki page.

Spoiler: Some data about SPEC_HEAT and it's effects (click to show/hide)

Learned the secrets of SPEC_HEAT.
Lower values means the material will heat faster. Default unit scale is J kg^-1 K^-1.

Corrected the SPEC_HEAT of FAT and TALLOW from 4181 to 2093. Corrected the SPEC_HEAT of ALL (excluding bone, hoof, horn and keratin based parts) from 4181 to 3349. Changed SPEC_HEAT of WOOD from 420 to 1674.Source

Corrected the SPEC_HEAT of BONE, TOOTH, NAIL and HAIR from 1000 to 440. Source

Preliminar test result: zombie melts in 22 seconds.

Animated dead - 35 seconds.

[Akjosch]

To answer a question: (relatively fresh) bones do indeed burn, mostly due to the organic content (primarily in the marrow and as fat through the bone). The ignition temperature is highly variable, but 500°C sounds like a good estimate, given that bone char is made at temperatures of 400°C to 500°C.

[arkhometha]

To answer a question: (relatively fresh) bones do indeed burn, mostly due to the organic content (primarily in the marrow and as fat through the bone). The ignition temperature is highly variable, but 500°C sounds like a good estimate, given that bone char is made at temperatures of 400°C to 500°C.

Thanks, I guess it should take some time for the bones to melt. I'm going to double check the values, correct some SPEC_HEAT value, see if someone dying from heat match with the description SanDiego gave, and tone down some values to better reflect the numbers I have being taken from fire and air conditions rather than magma(more especifically, hair and fat values). After that, I'm going to check if all organic parts (like from sponges) have a melting value, then, I'm going to test in the arena and in a scorching climate.
Also, creatures dying of blood loss before melting makes sense, I guess. But as is, the instant their body parts begins to melt, they die and their entire body melts vanishes. I don't know really why.

EDIT: Apparently, bone density is also wrong.  Dunno about other materials, but bone is definitively wrong. It's currently 500 kg m⁻³ when it should be 1500 kg m⁻³. This affects heat transfer, but also affects blunt weapon and other damages, so anyone with knowledge in this and how it would affect combat would be of great help.

[Vherid]

I might compile this stuff soon, but if you're in the middle of figuring things out, I don't want to compile it until it's all done for a nice clean new version.

[arkhometha]

I might compile this stuff soon, but if you're in the middle of figuring things out, I don't want to compile it until it's all done for a nice clean new version.

Sorry for taking too long, here is the final version.

Spoiler: Changelog. Recommend reading, there are some DENSITY changes, in bone and leather and some other things. (click to show/hide)

Final Changelog:
Temperature = Uº (in game) and Cº(for easy visualization).
SPEC_HEAT (specific heat capacity) = Lower values means the material will heat faster. Default unit scale is J kg^-1 K^-1 in game and out.
SOLID_DENSITY (Solid Density) =  Higher values means the material will heat faster and that it will need more force to break. Default unit scale is kg m^-3 in game and out.

Changed WOOD:
SPEC_HEAT:420 to SPEC_HEAT:1674 Source Source
IGNITE_POINT: 10450ºU (250ºC). Source
HEATDAM_POINT: 10216ºU (120ºC Temperature wood chars). Source


Changed SKIN:
[SPEC_HEAT:4181 ( this is the SPEC_HEAT of water)] to 3590. Effects of thermal properties and geometrical dimensions on skin burn injuries
[IGNITE_POINT:10508] (282ºC) to 10324 (180ºC).
[MELTING_POINT:NONE] to 10360ºU (200ºC)
[HEATDAM_POINT:10250] (139ºC) to 10099ºU (55ºC, the temperature Human skin receives a second degree burn injury.)
SOLID_DENSITY:1000 to 1200 Effects of thermal properties and geometrical dimensions on skin burn injuries

Changed FAT:
SPEC_HEAT:4181 to 2093
IGNITE_POINT:10338ºU (188ºC) to 10306ºU (170ºC)
MELTING_POINT:10078ºU (43ºC) to 10270ºU (150ºC)
BOILING_POINT:NONE to 10360ºU (200ºC)
HEATDAM_POINT:10250ºU (139ºC) to 10130ºU (72ºC, point which skin get destroyed because of heat. The temperature that you get a third degree burn)
[SOLID_DENSITY:900] is correct.

Changed MUSCLE:
[SPEC_HEAT:4181] to 3470
IGNITE_POINT:10508ºU (282ºC) to 10468ºU (260ºC)
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10540ºU (300ºC)
HEATDAM _POINT:10250ºU (139ºC) to 10166ºU (92ºC No hard data, estimative from a fourth degree burn.)
[SOLID_DENSITY:1060] is correct

SYNEW have the same as modifications as MUSCLE, for balance and logical motives. Didn't find data about density.

Changed BONE:
[SPEC_HEAT:1000] to 440. Source
IGNITE_POINT:10508ºU (282ºC) to NONE.
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC)
HEATDAM_POINT:10250ºU (139ºC) to 10540ºU (300ºC)
SOLID_DENSITY:500 to 1850. Warning: this is more than three times higher than the vanilla value. I (or someone) have to test the impact on combat. A new device for measuring density of jaw bones. Page 315. (No, I'm not using the density of a jaw bone. The article says it's the normal human bone density.

CARTILAGE is the same as muscle. Didn't find data about density.

Changed HAIR:
IGNITE_POINT:10508ºU (282ºC) to 10216ºU (120ºC)
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10450ºU (250ºC)
HEATDAM and Density are... useless in this case. Leaved vanilla.

FEATHER: Surprisingly hard to find data. Same changes as hair.

SCALE: No clue. No data. Melting point of bone, no further changes.
fun fact: in DF, scales are as dense as bones.

NAIL:
IGNITE_POINT:10508ºU to NONE
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10450ºU (250ºC)
DENSITY and SPEC_HEAT: No clue, no data, no changes.

TOOTH: Same changes as bone.

EYE:
SPEC_HEAT:4181 to 3590
IGNITE_POINT:10508 to NONE
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10360ºU (200ºC)
No changes for anything else.


NERVE:
Same change as muscle, didn't touch density.

INTERNAL ORGANS: No data, same as muscle.

LEATHER:
SPEC_HEAT:420 to 1507 Source, dry leather
IGNITE_POINT:10508ºU (282ºC) to 10382 (212ºC)
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10540ºU (300ºC)
SOLID_DENSITY:500 (Leather was as dense as bone!) to 1100, Source, I used a minimum to maximum average of cowhide leather at 25ºC.

HORN:
SPEC_HEAT:420 to 1530 Source
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10540ºU (300ºC, based on source, but value is above the source value it's an estimative)
IGNITE_POINT:10508 to NONE
No data to change anything else.

HOOF:
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10720ºU (400ºC)
IGNITE_POINT:10508 to NONE
No data to change anything else.

PEARL:
IGNITE_POINT:10508 to NONE
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 11400ºU (778ºC)

SILK:
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10540ºU (300ºC)

BLOOD, ICHOR, and all the other blood-like liquids that use the same numbers as blood:
SPEC_HEAT:4181 to 3770 Effects of thermal properties and geometrical dimensions on skin burn injuries
SOLID_DENSITY:500 to 917 Effects of thermal properties and geometrical dimensions on skin burn injuries
LIQUID_DENSITY:NONE to 1060 (Why liquids didn't have density? Oh god I hope in the test arena their blood don't stop running.) Effects of thermal properties and geometrical dimensions on skin burn injuries

SHELL: Same as PEARL.
TALLOW: Same as FAT.

CHITIN:
IGNITE_POINT:10508ºU (282ºC) to 11130ºU (628ºC)
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10495ºU (275ºC)
BOILING_POINT:NONE to 10943ºU (524ºC)

SPONGE:
MELTING_POINT:NONE to 10540ºU (300ºC)

I'm testing the heat aspects now, need to test the bone density changes later and read what putnam and the other modders posted about bone density.

material_template_default V2


Fighted once in the arena, while breaking bones seemed a little more difficult, my human Grand Master Fighter breaked an upper arm and later a skull.
All tests where done with only one subject for each, needs proper testing.

Surrounded in a 7/7 pool of magma:
human bleeds to death in 2 second
Animated dead - only bones melts in 32 seconds.
Zombie - melted 33 seconds (what a strange result)

Sponge dies of melting instead of drowning.

DF mode, scorching biome:
Yaks with burning hoofs! Oops. Accidentally changed IGNITE_POINT to HOOF on the HOOF template. Corrected already.

EDIT: I'm rather satisfied with the test results. In a scorching climate, all murky pools insta-dried but no dwarf melted. It rained, but no dwarf melted. Summer came, yet no dwarf melted. In adventurer mode, nobody melted.
So I declare this officially final. Corrected some bone density, not enough to affect gameplay as shattering skulls with your punches is still possible, and largely corrected the ignition and melt values, taking into consideration the data I have is from a cremation chamber and we are largely dealing with magma.

EDIT2: Scratch that part, it's still wrong. In one of my tests, a human catch fire when walking 1/1 magma pool and continued in fire until he died. I'm not entirely sure that is correct. I think they should melt. Should I make the ignite point higher than the melt point? Why can't it be like this?
Fun facts:
Hair will burn forever, or at least until you die.
You ALWAYS start melting/burning/taking heat damage by the head in a 1/1 lava pool, and presumably on fuller pools: the eyelids, the cheeks, the tongue and mouth.
You need very low melt values to a person to melt on touch with lava. I'm precising this value as of now.
On an unrelated note, being on fire for some time increases your dodge and armor skills.

Spoiler: Slowly burning to death. (click to show/hide)

FINAL EDIT (and verdict):
What melts faster, a human animated corpse on a 1/1 pool or one in a 7/7 pool?

Spoiler: Answer (click to show/hide)

Both melt at the same time.

The way DF handles temperature and heat transfer, it's impossible to make limbs melt. So, in a magma tile, no matter the amount of magma, what happens is this: the sensible parts (cheek, lips, eyelids) burn/melt/ignite and then the extremities (toes, foots, hands) and then the rest of the body. As the heat is uniformly distributed, parts will not melt, but they will suffer heat damage, ignite, burn and will already be dead before melting. For some reason (a bug, I assume) hair (and apparently skin also) will burn ad infinitum or until the victim die or gets to water. While I'm satisfied with the values, I still have a doubt: should skin, meat, cartilage, organs, etc ignite?

[Grimlocke]

Ooh its alive again! This is good, kind of presumed it dead a while ago.

The metalworking stuff working is actualy pretty much finished, could still add plenty stuff but the vanilla overhaul is done. Just need to run an actual test round to see if nothing weird comes up.

Also on the lignite hair issue: You may actualy want to set that heatdam value somewhere around the ignition temperature, im not sure if the game will actualy damage the stuff at all else.
Skin igniting... not sure if that will actualy happen in reality, its fairly saturated with water after all. It will be fairly different from matter like dry wood. Its a complicated matter, 'burning' and 'on fire' are different things. Internal organs burn once subject to enough heat, but wont be on fire unless exposed to air, which DF will assume it is when using the ignition temperatures. You could in theory walk around with flaming kidneys while the rest is fine.

It may be wise to use HEATDAM in some instances instead of IGNITE. Though that does come at the sacrifice of wielding !!Groundhog heart!!... tough choices.

Also, fire trains armor and dodge skills? Intriguing...

[sayke]

arkhometha - you rule! that is fantastic. we now need to run some large-scale combat and scenerio tests, with the archery rebalance and other significant changes, to check how this affects combat etc! i look forward to further !!SCIENCE!! =D

[arkhometha]

Also on the lignite hair issue: You may actualy want to set that heatdam value somewhere around the ignition temperature, im not sure if the game will actualy damage the stuff at all else.
Skin igniting... not sure if that will actualy happen in reality, its fairly saturated with water after all. It will be fairly different from matter like dry wood. Its a complicated matter, 'burning' and 'on fire' are different things. Internal organs burn once subject to enough heat, but wont be on fire unless exposed to air, which DF will assume it is when using the ignition temperatures. You could in theory walk around with flaming kidneys while the rest is fine.

It may be wise to use HEATDAM in some instances instead of IGNITE. Though that does come at the sacrifice of wielding !!Groundhog heart!!... tough choices.

Also, fire trains armor and dodge skills? Intriguing...

I set the HEATDAM value to be lower than the ignite value, still, the hair burned forever. Hair IS indestructible, but if the skin melts away the hair will also melt. That's what my tests show, anyway. And thanks, I will take out the ignite values of organs and maybe meat, but if the skin don't ignite the person will survive for a long time. I'm testing some melting values and so far only VERY low values can make skin melt. I will test setting ignite and melting point to the same number or very close.

I tried reproducing the training the armor and dodge kill while on fire in the arena, but I didn't have any luck. I create humans with no skills and make them walk into lava by assuming control. I remember on one of my tests, a subject survived for a LONG time and when I checked  his health, he was a dabbling armor user and dodger.

arkhometha - you rule! that is fantastic. we now need to run some large-scale combat and scenerio tests, with the archery rebalance and other significant changes, to check how this affects combat etc! i look forward to further !!SCIENCE!! =D

Thanks, but I still need to run more tests to make behavior correct on extreme temperatures.

EDIT: Okay, final FINAL version. There are two files now:

material_template_default_Realistic_Behavior - Lower ignite and melting values will ensure your skin will melt and consequently your hair, so you have a slight chance of surviving if your skin melts.

material_template_default_Realistic_Number - Based on the research I've done (be mindful that the data is mainly about cremation chambres and fires - not about the actual effect of magma on bodies, the main testing subject), ignite points and melting points will be higher.

They both contain the last changes of V2 (i.e. bone density change), and things will ignite up to muscle - sinew, nerves and internal organs will not burn, but they will melt. I do recommend the Realistic Behaviour version.

Again, anyone can use this without asking for permission or giving credit.

[Vherid]

Alright, I'll throw things together tonight.

[arkhometha]

Alright, I'll throw things together tonight.

Alright, thanks. With the permission of the modders, once the nre version comes out I will make a compatibility patch to play with modest mod.

[sayke]

any update on this awesomeness? =D

[arkhometha]

Vherid should be busy.

I'm eagerly waiting for this release and to make it compatible with Modest Mod, the recent fixes by binary hacking are awesome.

[Vherid]

Well I found this cool game called xcom, and it pretty much ruined all productivity this week. I should have something for real this time, soon.