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[loose nut]

In the absence of a dwarven economy, a literal dungeon-keeping dungeon master can demand coins and other valuables to keep safe in his dungeon. And... perhaps the amount of treasure secreted away in the dungeon can be a factor in determining the rank of other nobles, that is, promotion from baron to count to duke, and it can otherwise play into the prestige your fortress enjoys...?

[Vattic]

I would love having a noble that demanded that I build them a dungeon and that I fill it with exotic beasts and treasure.

Same; One of the only reasons I mint coins is so that I can build a nice room to pit a dragon into.

[NW_Kohaku]

Well, the way I was thinking about it, you weren't given a DM, and then he demands you make a dungeon, the idea is you make a dungeon, and that gives you the reward of having a DM, which in turn, gives you added functionality to your interface.

There's a big difference in that it gives players who don't want a dungeon, and want to have axelords as their main defense the ability to opt-out of adding something that is complicated and may take up more of their time that they don't want to spend on these things.

In fact, this same issue came up with that monstrous farming thread I was dealing with a while ago - giving players the ability to opt out of the most complex aspects of different portions of the game they don't want to play rather than forcing it on them should be a feature of all the more advanced aspects of DF.

[Uristocrat]

Well, the way I was thinking about it, you weren't given a DM, and then he demands you make a dungeon, the idea is you make a dungeon, and that gives you the reward of having a DM, which in turn, gives you added functionality to your interface.

There's a big difference in that it gives players who don't want a dungeon, and want to have axelords as their main defense the ability to opt-out of adding something that is complicated and may take up more of their time that they don't want to spend on these things.

In fact, this same issue came up with that monstrous farming thread I was dealing with a while ago - giving players the ability to opt out of the most complex aspects of different portions of the game they don't want to play rather than forcing it on them should be a feature of all the more advanced aspects of DF.

I know it would be somewhat pointless, but I would love to know how many creatures were captured/caged/maimed by my traps....

Granted, I already build something like a dungeon for fun, but this would make it even more fun.

[NW_Kohaku]

I know it would be somewhat pointless, but I would love to know how many creatures were captured/caged/maimed by my traps....

Granted, I already build something like a dungeon for fun, but this would make it even more fun.

Well, "building a dungeon for your adventurer to explore" is one of those things that is supposed to be a core part of DF, already. 

Making an incentive for players to create dungeons would lend itself well to this original design goal.

[bombzero]

a wonderful idea i saw someone else suggest was to bring him back after adding in the tavern/town stuff to fortress mode.

the hammerer is a dwarven justice enforcer, that does not deal with spys/theifs/etc of other races, those are simply thrown in the fortress dungeon, where the DM takes over interrogation/punishment.

considering toady's eventual plans for the stuff to allow your fort to interact with the world, he would have a pretty major impact on the political and criminal aspects of your fortress.


i just don't think having a  immigrant noble be required to do something any other dwarf could do is a little silly. mechanics are full well capable of maintaining traps, and siege engineers know what their doing, also a 'dungeon' would have to confirm to the games idea of a dungeon, not the players.

on the same idea, adding a 'head' noble to each 'department' would be nice, particularly if he provided some management related benefit, NOT some magical superpower.
i.e.
Chief Engineer: mechanics and siege operators/engineers, helps with targeting, maintaining traps/mechanics and artillery.
CMD: already in, just fits with the idea.
Head Mason: masons/stonecutters, manages the workflow of his section, making sure everyone gets jobs they are well suited to.
Head Smith: obvious who he controls, can manage work orders of smithing stuff, and who is using what workshops.
DUNGEON MASTER: depending on his position could coordinate animal training/retraining, or in the case of him being the 'true' keeper of the dungeon, he could maintain the jail/dungeon cell assignments/releases/maintenance.

with similar positions for each 'area' of fortress life. the heads could also bring the demands of various members to your attention, such as your legendary metalsmith would like a nice room close to the forges.

having these nobles would also give the player more control of the workflow, such as only using granite for furniture etc etc.

[dizzyelk]

the hammerer is a dwarven justice enforcer, that does not deal with spys/theifs/etc of other races, those are simply thrown in the fortress dungeon, where the DM takes over interrogation/punishment.

This would be a good split. Interrogating goblins could give you a hint of what sorts of troops the next siege would have, and kobolds, once the army arc is implemented, could reveal the location of their cave, so you could send your army out and exterminate them. Plus I just like the thought of a kobold, shivering on dirty straw, an iron chain chafing his leg looking up in fear as a dwarf, completely naked save for 10 cloaks walks into the cell and approaches, saying, "And now, you sneaky bastard, we will discuss the location of your hidden cave..."

[NW_Kohaku]

I'd honestly prefer the Dungeon Master be an "evolved" member of your own fort than an appointed noble, however. 

Of course, coming from off-map, you could say that's where they got the special training, but basically, I like the idea that you could have a sort of strange mood where an elite animal trainer goes off on a journey and comes back a couple months later as a Dungeon Master with new animal-training related powers and some extra pets. 

[bombzero]

^ nice idea, gets you new breeding stock, AND an elite trainer. though 10-1 odds say he goes the way of the caravans and gets ambushed instantly 

[Fault]

I'd honestly prefer the Dungeon Master be an "evolved" member of your own fort than an appointed noble, however. 

Of course, coming from off-map, you could say that's where they got the special training, but basically, I like the idea that you could have a sort of strange mood where an elite animal trainer goes off on a journey and comes back a couple months later as a Dungeon Master with new animal-training related powers and some extra pets.

wait.. isn't there a historical figure that does that? A leader that 'went off into the wild and tamed the rutherers' and then their civ will bring that animal whenever it besieges you?

it probably wouln't take much to rework that existing feature as an action performed by fortress dwarves.. as long as the world beyond your borders still has some abstraction to it...

[NW_Kohaku]

wait.. isn't there a historical figure that does that? A leader that 'went off into the wild and tamed the rutherers' and then their civ will bring that animal whenever it besieges you?

it probably wouln't take much to rework that existing feature as an action performed by fortress dwarves.. as long as the world beyond your borders still has some abstraction to it...

Yeah, but that's something any historical figure can do.

The point of this would be something more like a Strange Mood that exists only when you hit the preconditions for a Dungeon Master to appear - which might be training enough arbitrarily exotic enough animals (or get enough tamed exotic animal kills or whatever).  Then the mooder who goes off into the wild to further his/her training would be one of your top animal trainers. 

When they come back, they're now a Dungeon Master and have some new knowledge from their secret training, and maybe some new pets.  They then give you access to whatever interface feature they can give you access to, like that specialized selective breeding menu idea, or an animal training menu.

[bombzero]

once we get genealogy into DF that would be truly awesome.

[Uristocrat]

wait.. isn't there a historical figure that does that? A leader that 'went off into the wild and tamed the rutherers' and then their civ will bring that animal whenever it besieges you?

it probably wouln't take much to rework that existing feature as an action performed by fortress dwarves.. as long as the world beyond your borders still has some abstraction to it...

Yeah, but that's something any historical figure can do.

The point of this would be something more like a Strange Mood that exists only when you hit the preconditions for a Dungeon Master to appear - which might be training enough arbitrarily exotic enough animals (or get enough tamed exotic animal kills or whatever).  Then the mooder who goes off into the wild to further his/her training would be one of your top animal trainers. 

When they come back, they're now a Dungeon Master and have some new knowledge from their secret training, and maybe some new pets.  They then give you access to whatever interface feature they can give you access to, like that specialized selective breeding menu idea, or an animal training menu.

I really like this line of thinking.

[GreatWyrmGold]

The idea of "Wander off into the wilderness" strange moods has a wide variety of other possibilities, too. One that comes to mind is the idea of a young, probably orphaned dwarf running into the wilderness to become a mighty warrior, and coming back when he reaches adulthood, with legendary- or master-level combat skills and an artifact weapon or armor or something. Or maybe an imaginative dwarf goes off hunting a legend. A third possibility is hat some strange force compels the dwarf to leave his home, and then uses the dwarf as a host; the dwarf reappears, possibly disguised, in a later migrant wave. The possibilities are limited only by our imagination.
Naturally, these dwarves might die or be captured along the way. Or maybe they get cursed or something, and are brought back, unconscious and changed somehow, by the next migrant wave.

[Fault]

the dwarf reappears, possibly disguised, in a later migrant wave

do you think wearing nothing but a stack of capes and mittens might be a suitable disguise?