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[Chilton]

But crossbows are a good idea! With all the poor civilians always starving outside, at least they could have a fish bone bolt's chance!

...also, shooting towers.

Ok.
1: We would be making them inside, then *opening the entrance to get them outside*. I opened a single tiny opening, and almost everyone was killed. And We had a highly trained army.
2: Shooting Towers would not only involve going outside, but getting almost everyone outside, because there is an EXTREMELY small number of us, then not getting massacred whilst We build a bloody tower. You realise that Brewster was a nigh overpowered soldier, and He was killed by *ONE OF THE ENEMIES. ONE. LONE. ENEMY. And He killed none of them. He wounded a couple, but thats it. Our Entire Military wound up pinned down on a beach fighting off horde after horde of the things, and I think they killed 1 of the enemy for every 8 of them. Oh, and there was 8 of them.
3: You dont seem to realise that there are literally several dozen of those things out there, and they violently swarm You the splitsecond They are capable. Possibly over a hundred.
4: If They got inside, They can break down doors. They would massacre us.
5: They are extremely impervious to damage.
6: Even if somehow We gave our puny starving depressed dehydrating population Crossbows with Bolts, and assuming We threw them all outside as a Militia, lets say, after rigorous Training (Because somehow Wed be able to rigorously Train without being slaughtered by the multiple Forgotten Beasts downstairs, and the stuff thats killing us off without even needing to be a sentient lifeform, and the People going Berserk, We would then mine open a hole. We started with multiple Pickaxes. We are now lucky to have 1. And for a time, We didnt even have that. Its sheer luck Weve got it back. And those things, as soon as You open ANY Entrance, They begin a wave assault of it. Most of us died in the doorway to the outside within mere seconds, because there was just so damn many of them.
7: Morale and Injuries. Most of us have Poor Morale, and are already Injured on some level.
8: Lets say We got outside, and held them off. There are very regular Smoke Clouds.
8.1: Smoke Clouds would make our highly trained Crossbowmen OUR ENEMY.
8.2: If a Smoke Cloud got inside, We would die very swiftly.
9: We have already attempted far better ideas, and it just got people killed. Every one of us has tried.

Any other wise ideas? 

Also, Theyre not so much starving outside, so much as being chased around and killed on a pretty much 24/7 basis.

I believe nr.4 is wrong, I've managed to get zombies stuck in between two doors...

and for ideas what about this:

What do we have a lot of in Markedangels?
1.Zombies
2.Cavefish
3.Children

Now then, why not stick all children in narrow tunnels with doors at the end- zombies go in - nothing comes out. Win Win ,no kids and no zombies! Whatta yall say?

Trolls

This fort is wonderful! I will probably regret this, but can I have a turn? I never did play a Succession game...
In the mean time, I'd like a bowyer (Skilled, or otherwise). There is wood and bone, right? If so, I'd like to make a LOT of crossbows, and then tell everyone to use them.

Yeah, You can have a turn.

One thing but: Giving everyone Crossbows = We'd all be fucking dead. I can guarantee that.
This aint Your average game.

xD

Slowpoke, I invoke You!

Draw a Dwarf with a Crossbow skipping out into the Zombie Legion saying something about how awesome He is with His Crossbow and Bolts.
In the background, have 3 Zombies sneaking inside the Fort from the big wide open Entrance, and about 50 Zombies charging at Him from the front, roaring like psychotic lunatics.
At the bottom, have just in text, "Fighting Zombies with a Crossbow. This is totally how We can Win this particular Conflict. Have Fun With That Ya Dolt!"
GET TO IT!

Id Draw it, but I have some work to do, and cant really dedicate time to Drawing

I'm afraid I'll have to put that on hold since there are four major tests this week and the last one is tomorrow.

Yay!

I actually managed to let a few people in without dying horribly, mostly due to abusing the fact that these zombies don't particularly care to break doors down, even the trolls, my deaths were due to the FB and the tantrum spiral that resulted.

Those children are a valuable resource, they are the only source of new workers, also they provide handy targets for when Vieto tantrums, better he beats up a kid instead of one of the productive members of the fort.

I can't believe I advocated child abuse as a distraction tactic.

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Yeah, about that. The first time someone tried to tell Me that couldnt happen, I quickly loaded up My Markedangles save (The one thats now adays drastically outdated ), and unwalled the front door. It was broken in under 5 minutes, and people were dead or dieing. Im not talking out of My arse here. I just dont want people to get us killed out of sheer ignorance of the fact that they can in fact break doors. I knew they could do it from a Fortress of My own I did when the version was first released. They just need to be pointed in Your general direction for a splitsecond, then theyll find the nearest opening. I.e. a Destructible Door.

[slowpokez]

But crossbows are a good idea! With all the poor civilians always starving outside, at least they could have a fish bone bolt's chance!

...also, shooting towers.

Ok.
1: We would be making them inside, then *opening the entrance to get them outside*. I opened a single tiny opening, and almost everyone was killed. And We had a highly trained army.
2: Shooting Towers would not only involve going outside, but getting almost everyone outside, because there is an EXTREMELY small number of us, then not getting massacred whilst We build a bloody tower. You realise that Brewster was a nigh overpowered soldier, and He was killed by *ONE OF THE ENEMIES. ONE. LONE. ENEMY. And He killed none of them. He wounded a couple, but thats it. Our Entire Military wound up pinned down on a beach fighting off horde after horde of the things, and I think they killed 1 of the enemy for every 8 of them. Oh, and there was 8 of them.
3: You dont seem to realise that there are literally several dozen of those things out there, and they violently swarm You the splitsecond They are capable. Possibly over a hundred.
4: If They got inside, They can break down doors. They would massacre us.
5: They are extremely impervious to damage.
6: Even if somehow We gave our puny starving depressed dehydrating population Crossbows with Bolts, and assuming We threw them all outside as a Militia, lets say, after rigorous Training (Because somehow Wed be able to rigorously Train without being slaughtered by the multiple Forgotten Beasts downstairs, and the stuff thats killing us off without even needing to be a sentient lifeform, and the People going Berserk, We would then mine open a hole. We started with multiple Pickaxes. We are now lucky to have 1. And for a time, We didnt even have that. Its sheer luck Weve got it back. And those things, as soon as You open ANY Entrance, They begin a wave assault of it. Most of us died in the doorway to the outside within mere seconds, because there was just so damn many of them.
7: Morale and Injuries. Most of us have Poor Morale, and are already Injured on some level.
8: Lets say We got outside, and held them off. There are very regular Smoke Clouds.
8.1: Smoke Clouds would make our highly trained Crossbowmen OUR ENEMY.
8.2: If a Smoke Cloud got inside, We would die very swiftly.
9: We have already attempted far better ideas, and it just got people killed. Every one of us has tried.

Any other wise ideas? 

Also, Theyre not so much starving outside, so much as being chased around and killed on a pretty much 24/7 basis.

I believe nr.4 is wrong, I've managed to get zombies stuck in between two doors...

and for ideas what about this:

What do we have a lot of in Markedangels?
1.Zombies
2.Cavefish
3.Children

Now then, why not stick all children in narrow tunnels with doors at the end- zombies go in - nothing comes out. Win Win ,no kids and no zombies! Whatta yall say?

Trolls

Stupid trolls always trolling my plans!

[CognitiveDissonance]

First of all, this is the char idea I had, not saying it's the salvation idea I just want a guy who'll make crossbows, and then try to push them onto EVERYONE.

Secondly, I totally think I'm thinking out of the box! Are there any walls outside? Put marksdwarves on them! Are there no walls outside? Replace some walls with fortifications!

Nobody has to go outside. I know how deadly this beach is. But fortifications remove that issue to an extent, and you can work outwards!

Or even better - create a moat from underground (ramp up, remove ramp, repeat) and then build a tower in the middle of that moat.

EDIT: For safety's sake, suspend that tower on 4x supports, attached to a lever. If they get zombified by a cloud, destroy it!

See? Pincushion zombies!

EDIT: I like the child bait idea! To add to deadliness, make the walls of the corridor into fortifications, and put volunteers with crossbows behind them. Traps can only kill so many before they jam!]

CROSSBOWS!

[CognitiveDissonance]

As a thought - using the above method (ramp, remove ramp) would we not be able to dig a hole under the anvils outside?

[Vodrilus]

As a thought - using the above method (ramp, remove ramp) would we not be able to dig a hole under the anvils outside?

Great idea, actually, as long as you dig an empty space around the ramp to be carved _before_ it's carved (to prevent any of our husky friends from climbing down).

[CognitiveDissonance]

As a thought - using the above method (ramp, remove ramp) would we not be able to dig a hole under the anvils outside?

Great idea, actually, as long as you dig an empty space around the ramp to be carved _before_ it's carved (to prevent any of our husky friends from climbing down).

That would be really hard, if not impossible - you can only create ramps up, not empty spaces. Instead, you'd want to have a square room with double doors leading into it, create a burrow and put the miner into it, lock the doors, and do one ramp at a time.

[ninjanomnom]

For some reason i have an urge to write more so here it is:

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This is the journal of Aether. It was begun on my arrival to markedangels in… hm. Must remind myself to ask what the date is. I began this journal because, with the death of Chilton, I realize that even if you have something you must finish. Something which you can’t die without doing, chance can end it. With this journal I hope that should I die, some other dwarf will take up the quest. I hope that I do not fail, but, even great dwarves fall and I am most certainly not one of them.

Day 1(DATEUNKNOWN):
Upon finishing the recounting of my capture and escape from the goblins I was assigned to the military force. I can see many dwarves do not fully trust me yet, and so they put me into what seems to be the most dangerous job to be filled. This is fine, it is what I would have wished anyways.

Day 2(DATEUNKNOWN):
Among my fellow members in the military it seems there is very few survivors from the beginnings of this fortress. Tales are told of when careless innocents from other towns wander into the surrounding area and attempt to seek refuge from us. When this happens we are sent out as a mere distraction in the hope that we can save some of these wanderers.
Tactics, it seems, is not a very strong suit here.
Many dwarves are lost in these skirmishes, I hope I can end this ridiculous tradition and introduce some of the plans which I thought of while I spent long hours while toiling in the dark tower.

Day 3(DATE UNKNOWN):
I spoke to the mayor about these plans of mine. It seems the mayor is not the one who is really in charge of the fortress. The one who is is a mysterious “overseer” who changes between dwarves at random. I must find a way to contact this overseer and speak about our home over the sea and convince him of the importance of reclaiming it.

I'll put in dates when I get overseer due to me not wanting to try and sync my stories with the current date.

ALSO: Is there currently a player/general? Cause I'd like that slot if not.

OFF-TOPIC: Best DF god ever

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/42959y5qyt7ggf1/God%20of%20lice.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8a7svp6b0u0malj/God%20of%20lice%20inv.jpg
From now on this is my god lol. He is the BEST dwarf god. I should take time researching his history.

[ninjanomnom]

There is NO WAY my guy will ever use a crossbow. It is the right of all beings to have their killer look at them in the eyes at least once.

EDIT: Chilton, the zombies in the map of my fortress never break down doors ever. Idk what you are talking about.

[CognitiveDissonance]

There is NO WAY my guy will ever use a crossbow. It is the right of all beings to have their killer look at them in the eyes at least once.

If I get a dwarf, I will try REALLY hard to convince you. Take this crossbow. TAKE IT!

[ninjanomnom]

Did you read my guy's story? It's on page 30 I believe.

You know what we should get? An IRC channel.

[CognitiveDissonance]

As a thought - using the above method (ramp, remove ramp) would we not be able to dig a hole under the anvils outside?

Great idea, actually, as long as you dig an empty space around the ramp to be carved _before_ it's carved (to prevent any of our husky friends from climbing down).

That would be really hard, if not impossible - you can only create ramps up, not empty spaces. Instead, you'd want to have a square room with double doors leading into it, create a burrow and put the miner into it, lock the doors, and do one ramp at a time.

You know, I'm actually wrong on this. If you create a ramp, and then a ramp below it, you get an empty space above.

So..

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Legend:
_ = floor
^ = ramp
X = ground
O = door


___
OXX
OXX

to

_ _
O^X
OXX

to

_ _
O X
O^X


[Vodrilus]

That would be really hard, if not impossible - you can only create ramps up, not empty spaces. Instead, you'd want to have a square room with double doors leading into it, create a burrow and put the miner into it, lock the doors, and do one ramp at a time.

I have a feeling that you didn't get my point.
-----
-ddd-
-drd-
-ddd-
--+--
Legend:
- untouched rock or soil
d empty space
r ramp (below wanted items)
+ door

1. The 'd' bits (only) are dug.
2. The 'r' is carved as a ramp, punching a hole through the roof (or ground or whatever -- damn it's disorienting to think like a dorf).
3. Collect desired items that fall through roof.
4. Nasties never enter (ramp does not allow movement without adjacent walls).
5. Can be sealed to appease the paranoid members of the fortress.


FAKE-Edit: AHHH --- NINJA!!

Edit: I think this is still valid.

[ninjanomnom]

It HAS to get blocked off.
One word: Fog

[CognitiveDissonance]

It HAS to get blocked off.
One word: Fog

Doesn't Abominable Smoke travel on 1z only? Or does it spill across pits and walls?

[ninjanomnom]

If a part of it goes down the entire cloud follows, I found this out the hard way once.