The issue is that no religions are the same or anywhere close to equal. Just because you have skimmed the Bible and Koran and notice that are both are documents of barbarism and hate does not mean that all the religions read this way. There is a big reason why East Eurasia has a plethora of religions living side by side for thousands of years and that West Eurasia did not (until Secularism defeated Christendom.)
The struggles between Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Christianity and Eastern Spiritualism? The most bloody civil war in all of human history was a religious insurrection in China. Eastern syncretism however is something quite unique.
Y'know, I think to me it all boils down to the following: If Europe can only be defended by drowning people in the Mediterranean or fencing them in inside war zones, then Europe simply is no longer worth defending. That having been said, I'm confident that we can indeed find ways to defend Europe while still granting refuge to all those who need it. We need to get it into our collective head first that taking in asylum seekers is at the very heart of what we wish to defend, though.
Those who first called immigrants 'refugees' have already made Europe worth its suicide; to call upon people to make the dangerous journey for benefits they can't be given for countries whose people do not want them nor will be defend from them when they are attacked. To be so two-faced as to cover the backs of murderers and rapists and no longer have that be hyperbole, to create the largest humanitarian crisis possible and rebuke all attempts at fixing it until it's too late - I will always be forever disheartened with how Germany and Sweden decried all other European nations for not accepting more immigrants, for protecting their border controls, and then flooding their countries with more immigrants than they could handle - reinstating their own border controls whilst still yet attacking others for doing the same. The refugees in actual warzones are being helped by the nations of the USA and UK, Turkey and Lebanon - all the whilst countries trying to build the united states of Europe invited people across the world to die for a dead ideal; rule by unelected bureaucrats for nations whose strength was forced diversity. The grand multicultural experiment that apparently never ends no matter how bloody it gets. Seems like walking a waking dream, albeit a demented one. I was most amused by how many immigrants arrived to Germany's Europe, after one of our own forumites was thrown aback as that many immigrants would have depopulated Syria had they been Syrian.
Sumte is the future, a fun one.Sumte’s inhabitants were given little choice. The village offered empty refugee accommodation. Two years ago a debt-collecting company, which worked from a 21,000sq ft low-rise office complex on the edge of the village, went bust. The pressure on Lower Saxony’s authorities to find accommodation for a refugee influx into Germany estimated at 5,000 a day was massive. Mr Fabel says the villagers were told they had two options: “Either to say yes or yes” to the project.
A 102 Germans taking on 229 Syrians and 521 other apparent asylum seekers, apparent because they have no exit date and will likely be as impermanent as guest workers still in Germany after four generations.
People have very short memories, but these conversations repeat again and again.
2010, Merkel says Multiculturalism has utterly failed. She's facing intense pressure from within her own party and from her own people to halt her social experiment. One third of Germans think Germany is overrun with foreigners, 55% believe Arabs are unpleasant people; so tolerant, very progressive. She no longer has support for mass immigration.
2013, Merkel stresses that Germany must accept more refugees whilst her parliamentary bloc moves to classify the Balkans as safe, allowing for easier rejection of asylum seekers from Serbia, Macedonia, Albania e.t.c.. At that point Germany was taking in 200,000 refugees a year. They were warned that opening the door wider and leaving more incentives for people to make the journey to Germany would do the obvious; make more people make the journey to Germany.
By 2014:
Earlier in 2014 amongst first time asylum seekers the proportion of Syrians was around 10-15%, not accounting for second time asylum seekers, fake Syrians, those coming by sea nor immigrants who authorities fail to log. Eurostat has 700,000 asylum seekers in total logged across the EU despite countries like Germany alone taking in 750,000 illegal immigrants yearly, set to rise to 800,000 - conservative estimates. Measuring by asylum applications only takes into account those who bother to apply for asylum and takes their word for it. The German panic over how big they fucked up is intensifying after they failed to stop the influx (it has increased to record highs) of people, after they failed to shovel the immigrants they so desperately lusted for onto other EU countries because they got cold feet(...) the didactic duo are running out of emergency accommodation on their own turf.
And in response to receiving 10k immigrants in 7 days the Swedish PM is begging immigrants to stay in Germany.
It seems fitting to use the german word schadenfreude here, how pleasing it is to see when people get knocked off their moral high horses with a sharp kick to the bum. It is easy to see who has helped and who has miserably failed, failed their own people, failed Syrians and Iraqis, Somalis and Libyans and throw in a couple crying Germans and Swedes. It disappoints me that after Rotherham the German and Swedish police have not learned from this and also try to cover up enriching crime
That number had risen to 800,000 a year by conservative estimates, for Germany alone - excluding all other EU countries.
And unsurprisingly we are still talking about German and Swedish police covering up enriching crime, though it seems now they have shouldered all the blame leaving others just as responsible curiously clean.
By 2015
Merkel inquires whether Germany is losing that which makes Germany so strong," namely "the societal center." She is constantly asking herself, Merkel related, "if we are losing the center. By then the rate of immigration had its estimate increased from
800,000 to 1,500,000, measured only by those who claimed asylum - excluding those who did not register. That number also does not include those logged as immigrants, legal or illegal.
The number for Europe as a whole is set to increase to 3,000,000 in 2016, though I wonder how many times that number will be revised and how many will go to Germany.
This will cost Germany by current estimates 17 billion euros. Contrast with the UK, who has much less money to spend than Germany, who at a time where they have cut social spending for their own subjects have spent nothing short of a billion sterling
actually helping those fleeing war. And that billion sterling have helped more, helped more in need - even helped those whose situations are so bad they cannot even flee war. Whilst countries like France, USA and UK kill smugglers, shut down smuggling rings in Europe, thwart terrorist smuggling actions and otherwise pay the price for Germans tearing away at national sovereignty - even fighting alongside and training Kurds and rebels to retake their lands everywhere from Nigeria to Ethiopia and Iraq, the only Germans who've done so have been volunteers, no state actors.
Meanwhile after "Syrians" with fake syrian passports disappeared in Germany the Germans wasted no time in using this crisis to take control of other countries' borders by expanding Frontex's powers without the consent of the actual countries involved. So remember, having border control is racist unless you give it to the Germans.
The country most responsible for this carnality taking credit for the help given by other nations for a project it fucked up is not getting let off for its cold politik dressed up as friendly progressivism. No military action for the loudest voice, a disgraceful foreign aid budget for the loudest voice, and an uncaring disregard for the people or nations of Europe; just another excuse to create Germany's Europe. The loudest voice has nothing worth saying anymore, and Europe already burns.
Refugee riots, Pegida Riots,
your own rape gangs and of course
antifa riots too. Germany did this for more workers. For money. Now you've got no money, no moral highground and no control. I will mourn this decay, and move on. If you believe the Poles and Austrians this was a deliberate affair by German globalists to dig up Europe's roots and create a multicultural Europe with no individual nations or identities. I think this is not the case, after all the Germans in Bavaria, the Swedes up north and so on have reinstated border controls now; if they really were concerned with globalism to such an extent they would've halted all efforts to stop this immigration. Certainly there are factions who wish to do so, just as the UK's left-wing progressive party pushed for the EU to loosen national borders the same time it wanted to "make multiculturalism." Rather I suspect this was just a simple matter of Germany wanting workers and Merkel needing a way to make this palatable for an increasingly xenophobic and small-family populace of Germans. That's why the immigrants are working-age men, why they are destined for Germany, and why when the numbers went from 200,000 a year to 1,500,000 Merkel did an about turn and panicked. You don't push political machines you can't stop, and it will be interesting to see whether those millions will use their right to bring their families to Germany for their "temporary" asylum.
All in all it will most likely continue on as normal, or what is normal nowadays. Police covering up for criminals, politicians lying as usual, the EU expanding its power whilst populists distance themselves and far right groups take flight everywhere from street to parliament, with jihadists continuing their normal course of beheading journalists and soldiers on European streets. For those countries which took control they will emerge unscathed, for those that waited until things were out of control... Well, I will repeat the sentiment echoed in this thread in favour of more immigration: It's already happened, might as well take in more. Your options are yes and yes.
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