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[Strife26]

While I do agree that blaming things on them dirty foreigners isn't especially helpful, discounting differing values isn't a good thing. There's, without a damn doubt, places in the world where the social norms are absolutely horrifying in their regard for women and children. It's a matter of trying to bend those social norms into something acceptable, at least in our own neighborhoods, and without betraying our own values.

Yes. Americans abroad should be forced to assimilate into civilized societies that don't claim to own the bodies of their women and children. The long and brutal history of their homelives is a terrible thing, and the honor killings they've committed are unacceptable.

See what you can do when you take the worst examples of what happens in a place, and then use that to paint everyone as having those same values?

You can make a nonsensical point of fluff? Because sufficient rhetoric let's you claim anything you want, but that doesn't mean it's a useful or remotely accurate.

[Willfor]

While I do agree that blaming things on them dirty foreigners isn't especially helpful, discounting differing values isn't a good thing. There's, without a damn doubt, places in the world where the social norms are absolutely horrifying in their regard for women and children. It's a matter of trying to bend those social norms into something acceptable, at least in our own neighborhoods, and without betraying our own values.

Yes. Americans abroad should be forced to assimilate into civilized societies that don't claim to own the bodies of their women and children. The long and brutal history of their homelives is a terrible thing, and the honor killings they've committed are unacceptable.

See what you can do when you take the worst examples of what happens in a place, and then use that to paint everyone as having those same values?

You can make a nonsensical point of fluff? Because sufficient rhetoric let's you claim anything you want, but that doesn't mean it's a useful or remotely accurate.

Countering hyperbole with hyperbole is an acceptable rhetorical device, I feel.

[Sheb]

There is a distinction between "Women's right sucks in the Arab world" and "It's ok to rape and steal in Arab culture".

[Loud Whispers]

If a load of purple and yellow polka-dotted people came over here and started drinking tea, eating biscuits and discussing Coronation Street, they'd be welcomed with open arms. If anyone comes and starts spreading values contrary to our own - that (kafir) women are second-class citizens, that killing people over a cartoon is justifiable, or that homosexuality should be punished by death? Then it doesn't matter what ethnicity they have, a lot of people are going to be very troubled by that. And when it goes beyond just saying these things, and into the realm of atrocities such as Rotherham (where over 1400 children were sexually abused by gangs of Pakistani men, and the crimes were covered up and downplayed by the police and government for fear of being seen as racist), or the sexual assaults of Cologne and other cities we've been discussing? Of course that's going to prompt a lot of anger and calls for change.

To reduce these issues to 'having to deal with a bit more ethnic diversity' is ridiculously uninformed at best.

Actually you're wrong m8 on Rotherham, you forgot the Pakistani (and one Somalian, Afghan and one Syrian) rape gangs in Aylsebury¹, Oxford², Bristol³, Telford⁴, Birmingham⁵, Wycombe⁶, Rochdale ⁷, Burton⁸, Chesham⁹, Blackpool¹⁰¹¹, Preston¹², Brierfield¹³, Nelson¹⁴, West Yorkshire¹⁵, Barking¹⁶, Derby¹⁷, Keighley¹⁸, Peterborough¹⁹, Bradford²⁰, Bristol²¹, Coventry²², Bolton²³, Middlesbrough²⁴ and there are more yet to be discovered, more yet to have their identities disclosed by the police or picked up by the news and of those, picked up by me.

I haven't even the heart to shitpost about this. From 2000-2010 "there was a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity"", a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" just to have the funniest round of political dickwaving. Hahaha. "Ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote". As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants." And we now see that without any selective process, we lost money on immigration due to them paying less in taxes. More immigrants means more labour voters, since most immigrants outside of the Commonwealth tend to vote Labour.
I mean they destroyed so much evidence and even arrested fathers for trying to rescue their own daughters. I don't know who's worse, the rape gangs or the authorities who supported them. Jack Straw's the most notable, for being both a minister responsible for mass immigration policies and for being one of the first MPs to cause absolute uproar by suggesting there were Pakistani gangs who saw English girls as meat.

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Oh they got away with it too, and they were just one such case. All the rapists were Pakistani with exception to one Afghan and they got away with it for so long because social workers, police, councilors and the Crown Prosecution Service couldn't bend over backwards enough to cuck for rape gangs. There is no speculation they were afraid of being accused of racism, we know this was at work.
I love how the Guardian at the time had this to say:
"If social services feared to tread to avoid causing offence, and perhaps complicating wider work within the Pakistani community, then that has proved a terrible error. For giving offence is as nothing compared with the grotesque offences that eventually transpired."
And of course leftists learned absolutely fucking nothing and decided covering up more rape gangs was the appropriate response. Reports dating back to 1999 to this day are still unpublished and much of what we know was investigated by the Times. This wasn't even sheer ignorance, just assuming thousands of girls were slags and brushing them off with callous bureaucracy. They fucking stole files detailing their failure, they knew what they were doing to maintain "social cohesion." Then the Oxford rape gang comes to light, then the Telford rape gang - Pakistanis again, Derby rape gangs come to light (Pakistani again) and when the next gang is found by the Times we'll see the same pattern again and again. Rape gang targets English girls, council officials cover it up to be progressive and tolerant, rinse and repeat. Well done for being six times the horror Jimmy Savile was eh?
And if you expect me to give blue peter badges for a prosecutor actually doing his job then well done; acting only when the crimes reach public headlines is a well good job

No-one knows the true scale of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham over the years. Our conservative estimate is that approximately 1,400 children were sexually exploited over the full inquiry period, from 1997 to 2013."
Revealing details of the inquiry's findings, Prof Jay said: "It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse that child victims suffered."
The inquiry team found examples of "children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone".

That was one of the gangs we know about, excluding all those the police will not release information about or those who still roam free.

it is only one of over 1,400 cases, all arising during the course of the last fifteen years in the South Yorkshire town of Rotherham, all involving vulnerable girls either in Council care or inadequately protected by their families from gangs of sexual predators. Almost no arrests have been made, no social workers or police officers have been reprimanded, and until recently the matter was dismissed by all those responsible as a matter of no real significance. Increasing public awareness of the problem, however, led to complaints, triggering a series of official reports.

They were forced to prosecute these bastards because of public outrage.

"Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist"
Professor Alexis Jay

There is no "speculation." You can't get any more cucked than leftists in power defending Pakistani rapists for fear of being called bad words. At least in Savile's case you could have the excuse that the people who investigated him were fearful of his lawyers same way the Sun was when Savile sued them for calling him a pedophile. This is quite nothing.
The whole damn system is bloody evil, nothing is sacred and everything expendable in the sake of multiculturalism. Cracks me up laffin when Americans chide Euros for not being as enthusiastic about multiculturalism when Americans have had to tolerate absolutely nothing except infrastructure strain, which is boring as hell and Texas Cali en fuego.

It's soul crushing how many tens of thousands of English girls were abused and their rapists protected because labour wanted to look good and multicultimeluver. 12 year old girls raped by 60 men, schools having girls doped and abducted, girls passed around and sold for £600 nope, fuck that shit you weren't tolerant enough, you need more immigration to make this go away.
Anyways that's just the 4UK, I haven't even started on Sweden or Germany
But alas, I go now to bants with some m8s off in Jewish bit of London, been a while since I bantered there

I mean, Fuhrer Merkel is caught up in the outrage if it is just outrage.
I don't know, this sort of shit happening continuously in Europe is making me wonder if this isn't a politically-induced blind spot. I'll be joining LW at his EDL meetings in no time.

QFT, funniest bit is I'm not even English, I just have an aversion to letting my house burn down with the people I love still in it

As for Cologne I'll get to that tomorrow. First impression is loads of Germans got raped by legit Syrians and the police were mocked by both sides for ineptitude. I don't trust hearsay though.

[Willfor]

Why does it feel like that's what several people are saying though.

[martinuzz]

The number of complaints filed with the Cologne police about new year's eve has now risen to 379, of which 40%  are women reporting being sexually assaulted.
According to the police "the majority of all perpetrators are refugees and illegal immigrants"

The German police has added more people to the taskforce investigating the reports. There's now over 100 officers on the case.

[Morrigi]

Lol, police use water cannons and so on against the people protesting the sexual assaults, but are nowhere to be found to actually protect their citizens from it in the first place.

Edit: Apparently there are also stories starting to pop up of similar assaults happening in Bielefeld.

[Helgoland]

Lol, police use water cannons and so on against the people protesting the sexual assaults, but are nowhere to be found to actually protect their citizens from it in the first place.

To claim that Pegida is just protesting sexual assaults is quite literally propaganda for a Nazi-like group. To claim that the police is nowhere to be found to protect the German populace is an outright lie, even when applied to New Year's in Cologne.

By the way, you still haven't given me a source for rape being socially acceptable in Syria. Obtuse allegations are more your thing, apparently. Don't worry though - most of you are like that.

[Sheb]

I wonder, Helgo, you might know where to look for that. What's the "normal" rate of complaints for a NYE in Cologne?

[Helgoland]

Iunno - maybe I'll look for it later. It'll be difficult though, what with this mess clogging the search engine.

[scriver]

While I do agree that blaming things on them dirty foreigners isn't especially helpful, discounting differing values isn't a good thing. There's, without a damn doubt, places in the world where the social norms are absolutely horrifying in their regard for women and children. It's a matter of trying to bend those social norms into something acceptable, at least in our own neighborhoods, and without betraying our own values.

Yes. Americans abroad should be forced to assimilate into civilized societies that don't claim to own the bodies of their women and children. The long and brutal history of their homelives is a terrible thing, and the honor killings they've committed are unacceptable.

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

Why does it feel like that's what several people are saying though.

Probably because you have developed a reflex response to call people racist whenever you feel your ideals of multiculturalism is threatened.

[Willfor]

Why does it feel like that's what several people are saying though.

Probably because you have developed a reflex response to call people racist whenever you feel your ideals of multiculturalism is threatened.

Pfffft.

Why are you posting on a forum about a game primarily designed to encourage multiculturalism? Honest question.

[Putnam]

...Wha? No, I wouldn't put that on DF's shoulders. Heck, the sheer amount of war and intolerance in the game suggests that it's pretty strictly historical about all that.

[TheBiggerFish]

Why are you posting on a forum about a game primarily designed to encourage multiculturalism? Honest question.

Say what now?  That doesn't make sense.
DF has nothing to do with multiculturalism or lack of.

[Willfor]

...Wha? No, I wouldn't put that on DF's shoulders. Heck, the sheer amount of war and intolerance in the game suggests that it's pretty strictly historical about all that.

War and intolerance exist, and will always exist. The goals of multiculturalism are to make the maximum number of people coexist despite conflicting agendas. In such, species coexist quite well in DF, and will continue to get even better at coexisting as reality is implemented. DF's entire purpose as a game is to slowly convert every elf hater to the multicultural agenda.