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[martinuzz]

According to anonoymous sources from within the police force, most of the perpetrators were Syrian refugees, and their main goal was to 'have sexual fun'

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

[TheBiggerFish]

...Geez.

Well, PTW.

[Morrigi]

The interior minister of the state this happened in has gone full retard.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Mr Jaeger also warned that anti-immigrant groups were trying to use the attacks to stir up hatred against refugees.
"What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chatrooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women," he said. "This is poisoning the climate of our society."

It seems that posting on /pol/ is literally as bad as raping a woman.

[Helgoland]

Oy, Morrigi:

Oy, Morrigi:

They're not. However, they are an acceptable practice in the places these people came from.

Y'know, I'd like a source for that. AFAIK most of the refugees in Germany do not in fact come from India.

If you don't have a source, I'll just go ahead and call you out as a racist of the worse kind.

I'm confused by this. Are you saying that the only place where rape culture (*real* rape culture, that is, not 'Make sure to get three signatures on consent form 922b and perform a blood-alcohol test before intercourse' rape culture) exists is in India? I must be misunderstanding you in some way here, could you clear it up?

The India bit was just me poking fun at the string of gang rapes that have been occuring in India recently-ish.

[Loud Whispers]

We have earned our end

[Frumple]

Beyond attempting to generalize to several different cultural groups based on the words of a few teenagers, call me just a wee titch doubtful that was particularly imported. It's a sentiment that's just kinda' common to conservative/tribal thought processes in general. I've heard basically the same damn thing (that it's less of a bad thing when <outgroup X> gets raped, beaten, etc.) out of the mouths of racists (regarding blacks) and religious bigots (regarding non-christians) in the US, and the sentiment was more or less common within living memory, for all that it's thankfully dying off to a fair degree. It doesn't take importing to see that kind of shit. It grows at home all its lonesome.

[Amperzand]

In a nutshell, it's a symptom of being an extremist conservative/tribal dickwad, not of being a person of [insert culture], though [insert culture] does have those tendencies.

[Baffler]

So I wondered about this. What happens when the war is over? Do the Syrians and "Syrians" go back to "Syria?"

Beyond attempting to generalize to several different cultural groups based on the words of a few teenagers, call me just a wee titch doubtful that was particularly imported. It's a sentiment that's just kinda' common to conservative/tribal thought processes in general. I've heard basically the same damn thing (that it's less of a bad thing when <outgroup X> gets raped, beaten, etc.) out of the mouths of racists (regarding blacks) and religious bigots (regarding non-christians) in the US, and the sentiment was more or less common within living memory, for all that it's thankfully dying off to a fair degree. It doesn't take importing to see that kind of shit. It grows at home all its lonesome.

That sounds an awful lot like minimizing the situation. It might be true on some level, (though it sounds a whole lot like fuck-the-other-guys wankery too) but there's no doubt that we're seeing an imported product in Europe. You can write it off as edgelord teenager bullshit if you want, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist either.

[TheDarkStar]

So I wondered about this. What happens when the war is over? Do the Syrians and "Syrians" go back to "Syria?"

I suspect that token Syrians will be sent back/volunteer to go back while Europe gains a much larger Syrian minority group.

[Putnam]

Obviously islamic nations have far worse institutional issues when it comes to all that, but that's primarily because they actually read their holy book.

But then, actually quoting from the bible to support that is edgy.

[Putnam]

It's what happens when people take faith to its logical conclusion, especially abrahamic religions. Muslims believe in their holy book. Christians and Jews obviously don't, else they'd be killing everyone who doesn't follow their religion; it is the infallible word of God, and that is a pretty direct request.

[Willfor]

You mean the thousands of religious leaders who regularly condemn all of it? Are those the religious leaders you're talking about? The ones who are already doing it? The ones you seem not to believe exist? The ones who exist, and are real, and are condemning these actions? And who continue to do so despite the widespread belief that they are not? Those religious leaders?

[Frumple]

Obviously islamic nations have far worse institutional issues when it comes to all that, but that's primarily because they actually read their holy book.

Uh, no, it's primarily because the areas are by and large either unstable shitholes or just recently starting to claw their way out of such, mixed with tribal traditions that are also pretty shit. There's a religious aspect to some of the gender shit, but not when it comes to sexual assault and whatnot. Islam's texts take a pretty damn dim view towards rapists and sexual perfidy in general. Consequences tend to involve execution for the perpetrator or stuff that's pretty capable of killing regardless. Lotta' the shit we've been seeing in recent times counter to that is basically fairly forthright heresy.

[Morrigi]

Obviously islamic nations have far worse institutional issues when it comes to all that, but that's primarily because they actually read their holy book.

Uh, no, it's primarily because the areas are by and large either unstable shitholes or just recently starting to claw their way out of such, mixed with tribal traditions that are also pretty shit. There's a religious aspect to some of the gender shit, but not when it comes to sexual assault and whatnot. Islam's texts take a pretty damn dim view towards rapists and sexual perfidy in general. Consequences tend to involve execution for the perpetrator or stuff that's pretty capable of killing regardless. Lotta' the shit we've been seeing in recent times counter to that is basically fairly forthright heresy.

The fact remains that in practice, most of those rules only apply to Muslims wearing hijabs. They use Islam to justify their acts.

[Willfor]

So, while we're on the subject of women's rights, how about we actually start defending them in our countries?

I've been particularly feminist in the past week, and am very interested in hearing the stories about how we, in the western world, have stood up for our women compared to these people who are obviously from a very barbaric region of the world. This is especially important in the coming months as the war against women's rights in America is picking up fast, so please, enlightened people, tell me how you've been highlighting the plights.

Morrigi, how have you helped the feminist cause recently? I haven't seen too many links from you about it recently, but surely as someone frequenting the feminist bastion that is /r/KotakuInAction, you will be a paragon of the fight for women's inclusion in gaming.

I, personally, have managed to block a ton of attack videos by skull-wielding men on Youtube recently. That's a personal victory for me right there.