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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10110 on: June 05, 2015, 05:08:01 pm »

To not ban Nietzsche, though, would be injurious to society.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10111 on: June 05, 2015, 05:58:12 pm »

To not ban Nietzsche, though, would be injurious to society.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10113 on: June 05, 2015, 06:33:36 pm »

I thought there might be a reference I wasn't getting. I'm still not getting it! But that more or less confirms it.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10114 on: June 05, 2015, 06:52:29 pm »

I think he's accusing him of trolling. I share his apparent dislike for Nietzsche, for what it's worth, but it I'm not sure I'd support an outright ban on his works no matter how much of an asshole he was.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10115 on: June 05, 2015, 06:57:00 pm »

He's... often misinterpreted. And his sister, a dyed-in-the-wool fascist and anti-semite, disfigured much of his work. And he may have been partial to fedoras, as far as I can tell from his works.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10116 on: June 05, 2015, 07:24:13 pm »

And he may have been partial to fedoras, as far as I can tell from his works.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10117 on: June 05, 2015, 07:33:15 pm »

Okay, that part I don't get. What's all this fuss about fedoras?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10118 on: June 05, 2015, 07:35:19 pm »

fedoras are literally hitler
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10119 on: June 05, 2015, 07:45:34 pm »

More refusing to change in academia:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/kennesaw-state-advisor-its-bigger-than-ksu_n_7284748.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/05/kennesaw-state-advisor_n_7521164.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtxSFltiq9c

Maybe tell the student they can set up an appointment at a later time? To be fair to her, perhaps her department was understaffed, who knows. That said, how lovely that just asking for services you paid for is "harassment."

Relevant: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/new-harbinger-publications-inc/parents-who-drive-you-cra_b_7511242.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

That said, I've never agreed with Nietzsche. You don't strengthen a wall by bashing it, anymore than you strengthen a person by bashing them. If what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, then willful injury would be a good thing, absurd.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10120 on: June 05, 2015, 08:15:48 pm »

What Nietzsche has come down to in my experience is the answer to whether or not human beings ultimately have any agency over the world. If we do, Nietzsche is mostly invalid. If we don't, he's on point. I definitely admire him more on my more hopeless days.

That said, he wasn't a fascist or even properly right-wing by any stretch of the imagination, and this willfully ignorant college marxist jackass (because having met a good deal of them, they are always jackasses, it's the crawling in my skin of the early 20's) rustles my jimmies.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10121 on: June 05, 2015, 09:32:22 pm »

@ that first one, true, I think remember that a little. Dude in question was actually like a half-hour or something late to an appointment he had made previously, iirc, and was apparently intent on sitting around and waiting instead of doing any of that reschedule-appointment-like-sane-person stuff. Forget the exact details, but it was more than just on the advisor's part -- there was some poor behavior on the student's end, as well. Still could have been handled more effectively, obviously, but there was more to it than just asking for the services paid for.
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« Reply #10122 on: June 06, 2015, 12:19:03 am »

It's kind of ironic that the guy leading the charge against the Nietzsche group is the head of the college's Marxist society. I mean you can make the exact same case that studying Marx will endanger the student body because they'll be exposed to Soviet-style ideological purges. In fact, the noted events bear out that presumption.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10123 on: June 06, 2015, 02:02:34 am »

What Nietzsche has come down to in my experience is the answer to whether or not human beings ultimately have any agency over the world. If we do, Nietzsche is mostly invalid. If we don't, he's on point. I definitely admire him more on my more hopeless days.

That said, he wasn't a fascist or even properly right-wing by any stretch of the imagination, and this willfully ignorant college marxist jackass (because having met a good deal of them, they are always jackasses, it's the crawling in my skin of the early 20's) rustles my jimmies.
I thought Nietzsche's most important point was the Übermensch, which wasn't what the Nazis made out of it but rather the idea that humans should try to free themselves of societal conventions to advance towards being better humans, closer to what an ideal human should be like. I thought that was a rather positive message (and ironically quite opposite to what Hitler used it for).
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10124 on: June 06, 2015, 04:59:18 am »

Well actually people do get stronger by being bashed. Shin conditioning is an example.
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