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[Scelly9]

There are potential problems with monitoring public areas, but the arguments are pretty different to those against monitoring people's private communications (stuff that people reasonably expected to be kept secret).  Conflating the two doesn't help your argument at all.

I don't believe the government should have the right to do either. Recently a us police department said their was nothing wrong with them using aerial surveillance to observe residential areas and that people were silly for caring that they could see into their fenced backyards.

Again, public is different to private.

Are you telling me that people have no expectation of privacy in their own fenced in backyards?

I don't think they should. Fenced yards are an odd thing, because on one hand the normal person walking on the street can't see through them, on the other, a plane can fly over and take pictures, a satellite could do the same. It's a bit of an inbetween thing and people have to realize that.

[Leafsnail]

I don't believe the government should have the right to do either.

Ok.  That doesn't mean you can use the same arguments for both.

Recently a us police department said their was nothing wrong with them using aerial surveillance to observe residential areas and that people were silly for caring that they could see into their fenced backyards.

I don't see how this fact relates to your previous sentence or the point I was making.

Are you telling me that people have no expectation of privacy in their own fenced in backyards?

No.  He's saying that there's a difference between being surveillance in public and private areas.  In fact you clearly agree with that, otherwise this objection you're raising makes no sense.

[Steeled]

I don't believe the government should have the right to do either.

Ok.  That doesn't mean you can use the same arguments for both.

The government openly and secretly spies on people and then uses that information against the peoples best interest. Can I use all of the same arguments? No. Can I use the vast majority? Yeah.

[smirk]

OldNewBusiness: Remember that Kansas bill thing from earlier? They might just have the tiniest bit of self-awareness after all.

[Sheb]

I once accidentally shot myself in the crotch with pepper spray.  (I thought "pepper blaster" mean it was a strange kind of pepper grinder). I can report that capsaicin is quite effective incapacitating me for several hours.

Sigged!

[Reelya]

-maybe later-

[Loud Whispers]

Still not trolling.

[Reelya]

Is that directed at me? If so, u be the one trolling (post designed to inflame a response).

What I edited out was not related to the previous discussion, it was a new news article on politics in Venezuela, but more details are coming in other articles that somewhat contradict the first story, so I deleted it to avoid needless confusion until there are more details.

[Loud Whispers]

That'd still not be trolling, that'd be flame baiting. I'm not trolling, I'm just pointing out that no one is trolling the Venezuelan government as of this moment, as fun as that would be. The rest of your post I don't particularly seem to understand, considering you appear to be accusing me of accusing you with a negative over something that you redacted.
~o.o~

[Descan]

When you pop in randomly and say "Still not trolling," without any immediate context except someone who editted out a post, it's not that hard to take a widdle step to a conclusion.

Anyway, who ever said anything about trolling in the past 5 pages? Let alone one related to Venezuela.

[Putnam]

That'd still not be trolling, that'd be flame baiting.

Pretty sure they're synonymous. Look at GameFAQs' definition:

Trolling is not someone posting an opinion that differs from yours, but someone posting a message designed to get others mad enough to violate one of the other rules. Going on a board and posting "This game sucks and everybody who enjoys it is stupid" is trolling, and nothing good will come of it. Going on a board and posting "I hated this game, the controls were awful," isn't trolling, although it may not be popular opinion. Even if you disagree, you can either debate the user on their points or just ignore it.

Trolling: Provoking other users to respond inappropriately

[Loud Whispers]

Anyway, who ever said anything about trolling in the past 5 pages? Let alone one related to Venezuela.

Edited out by Reelya.

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That'd still not be trolling, that'd be flame baiting.

Pretty sure they're synonymous. Look at GameFAQs' definition:

Trolling is not someone posting an opinion that differs from yours, but someone posting a message designed to get others mad enough to violate one of the other rules. Going on a board and posting "This game sucks and everybody who enjoys it is stupid" is trolling, and nothing good will come of it. Going on a board and posting "I hated this game, the controls were awful," isn't trolling, although it may not be popular opinion. Even if you disagree, you can either debate the user on their points or just ignore it.

Trolling: Provoking other users to respond inappropriately

There's more emphasis on deceitfulness, but this derail has gone on long enough and I'll stop.

[Reelya]

Well, what exactly was the context of "Still not trolling" then? you're kinda beating around the bush on that.

BTW I only pointed out what my edited-out comment was about to make it clear that it wasn't in relation to that heated rape discussion that happened recently. Your comment made it sound like I'd said something inflammatory.

[Loud Whispers]

Well, what exactly was the context of "Still not trolling" then? you're kinda beating around the bush on that.

You wrote the context, about people trolling Venezuela over accused Venezuelan censorship of protestors.

BTW I only pointed out what my edited-out comment was about to make it clear that it wasn't in relation to that heated rape discussion that happened recently. Your comment made it sound like I'd said something inflammatory.

Not really no. Do you want to move this to PMs because this is drawing out far longer than it should.

And now people are accusing the Venezuelan government of deploying adamsite gas. This is why I consider the accusations above "trolling." This could be serious.

[GlyphGryph]

Flame baiting is... most definitely a type of trolling, for any reasonable definition of the term. I've seen you argue this a whole lot of times - might be good to publicly get it out of the way somewhere. But not here. Stupid semantic debates are less important that actual stuff happening.

can someone bring me up to date on WHY the government is bringing out the riot gas?