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[Willfor]

Okay, maybe I legitimately misread what people were saying. Whatever.

[Sheb]

Actually, if you ask cops here, they'll tell you to use spray-on deodorant instead of mace, apparently it's not good for the eyes either. :p

More seriously, spraying people because they're walking toward you is BAAAAD. If you really think you're going to get mugged, turn around say "hello", if the guy still look aggressive, ready the mace, if he goes toward you to the point where you know he is attacking, mace away.

[penguinofhonor]

Stop it. This was a good discussion that doesn't need to degrade into insults.

Max, your original post had a point but it really seems like your intention was to anger anyone who disagrees with you. If you actually want to discuss this honestly then restate your point more respectfully.

Willfor, please do not respond to bad posts with more bad posts. That helps nothing.

[Max White]

Could you do me a favor and quote what post exactly you think was unrespecful and argumentative?

[Loud Whispers]

Willfor, your original post had a point but it really seems like your intention was to anger anyone who disagrees with you. If you actually want to discuss this honestly then restate your point more respectfully.
Max, please do not respond to bad posts with more bad posts. That helps nothing.

ftfy

[Sheb]

Yeah, I like my discussion. Can we have it some more if we promise to behave poh?

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More seriously, spraying people because they're walking toward you is BAAAAD. If you really think you're going to get mugged, turn around say "hello", if the guy still look aggressive, ready the mace, if he goes toward you to the point where you know he is attacking, mace away.

Agreed. On the other hand, given that we live in a society that likes to handle these situations by teaching women to fear for their lives if they're ever out alone, it's still something you hafta take into account. It's not ideal, but there's no call to aggravate the situation either.

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Please let's not get into arguments about arguments, folks. Far too meta.

[Mr. Strange]

"You are completely ignoring the fact that you are being perceived as a sexual partner, and doing absolutely nothing within your power to change that perception. You are ignoring the fact that people have been educated to view you, personally, as a sexual partner. You are ignoring the treatment of both the symptoms and the disease at the same time by putting the blame completely on the man instead of the shitty system in which you happen to be a willing/unwilling cog." ~ Willfor, on why women should be required to wear burkas or else get raped.

Shame on you for stooping so low. Especially on this thread.

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Still got laugh out of me.

[Baffler]

Yeah, mace is nothing to mess around with. There's a reason so many countries restrict it's use. It needs better justification than a bad feeling about someone to use, IMO.

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Actually, if you ask cops here, they'll tell you to use spray-on deodorant instead of mace, apparently it's not good for the eyes either. :p

More seriously, spraying people because they're walking toward you is BAAAAD. If you really think you're going to get mugged, turn around say "hello", if the guy still look aggressive, ready the mace, if he goes toward you to the point where you know he is attacking, mace away.

This.

[Willfor]

Alright, I admitted that I jumped the gun already. I mostly agree with Sheb here on procedure. I picked a bad way to express myself. I apologize.

[10ebbor10]

And here I was thinking people were literally suggesting to go medieval and knock someone's brains out.

[Baffler]

I would certainly give anyone carrying any sort of medieval weaponry a wide berth 

[Max White]

Shame on you for stooping so low. Especially on this thread.

I still think that was the most effective way to show just how little difference there is between victim blaming and victim blaming.

I actually don't have a problem with giving people the advice that in certain neighborhoods it is a bad idea to approach people, including women for the reason being discussed. I don't want to get maced, so if I'm worried about it I think it is a reasonable thing to stay a certain distance away from people. Where I take exception, however, is that if you do choose to walk more quickly that does not then justify assault via mace spray. You can't just say 'Well she thought she was being attacked, so fuck that guy, even if he was just trying to make his way home!'

[penguinofhonor]

Could you do me a favor and quote what post exactly you think was unrespecful and argumentative?

I'll link to it because I'm on my phone and that's slightly less difficult.

There's a fine line between making a joke in your argument and ridiculing people who disagree with you. It felt like you were trying to get a response like Willfor's out of someone rather than a real counterpoint.

I still think that was the most effective way to show just how little difference there is between victim blaming and victim blaming.

I think this sentence does a better job than your earlier post.

[Sheb]

I for one don't find anything wrong with the post you linked, but hey, your thread.

Anyway, as it as been pointed before, women's fear of being raped in the street is in some way irrational, as most rape happens with people you know. I get how going across the street would alleviate that fear, but should we? Wouldn't it be best to simply be nice and polite and show that you don't have to fear men?

For example, lots of people got an irrational fear of blacks. Would you advise blacks to cross the street so as not to frighten whites?