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[Ogdibus]

I don't think those physical requirements are accurate.  I don't see the pull ups requirement getting slightly easier while the run time gets dramatically harder, even over the course of the ten years since I was last informed.

[GreatJustice]

Ok, fuck this. Blocking you again.

You were never unblocked.  All the same, you don't need to condescend to me when discussing mathematics.

Is there, like, a story behind this! There must be a story behind this. What's the story behind this?
*Helgoland stares at the screen, paralysed by his perplexed social instincts*

I seem to recall it had something to do with misogyny in math class, but maybe I'm thinking of something different.

This is, again, ignoring all of the temporary, cultural downsides, like the macho Western instinct to protect a woman above other priorities

This is a biological instinct in men, not some temporary cultural thing. Hardwired right into the brain.

Some

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probably Vector

would argue against this, but I'm not sure either way so I'm going to be generous.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

This is, again, ignoring all of the temporary, cultural downsides, like the macho Western instinct to protect a woman above other priorities

This is a biological instinct in men, not some temporary cultural thing. Hardwired right into the brain.

I should hope you have a citation for that. I know I at least don't really feel that way towards women.

[Max White]

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Is this an unreasonable opinion? Am I asking too much not to have people I am personally associated with not die to faulty equipment? Is this an unreasonable thing for anyone to desire? Simply projecting my feelings onto people in America who may or may not have loved ones who go into combat situations, this is a real concern to people who exist and make up a not insignificant amount of people. Is it unreasonable to ask that they be treated fairly?

No, it is actually totally reasonable, especially in the US army where they throw away enough money that they can afford to spend some of it effectively. I agree, they should be spending the extra money.
I just feel that it is important to point out that women not getting good fitting armor is a spending choice, if a poor one, not a matter of wanting them to have no protection. It isn't about body parts, it is about whether they choose to spend the money to fit a small minority of people, and yes they should, but I understand why they didn't.

[Loud Whispers]

I'm not sure about this, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of instinct towards protecting potential mothers/mates harking back to the times when men may well have 'stolen' women, or predators were much more of a danger.
And I would be about as unsurprised if it's just some cultural... thing that popped up at some point.

Ba dum tss

Will return with a bunch of other shit if the conversation continues, but until then I'm out for now

[Kansa]

Ba dum tss

Will return with a bunch of other shit if the conversation continues, but until then I'm out for now

Isn't that article about men having wired protection for children rather than women?

[Ogdibus]

Look up pedomorphism.  I'm not sure if he's alluding to that, but that's where you'll find a connection.

[scriver]

It's also about how the "hard-wired care" has the opposite effect on males than what is being claimed above, what with him becoming a less testosterone-filled risktaker.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It also refers specifically to pregnancy, which I would hope is uncommon on the battlefield.

[ChairmanPoo]

Children and women are different :X

when I become a cannibal warlord I'll throw men, women and children alike in my cookpots. I'll be an equal-oportunity anthropophage.

[Toady One]

I removed a spat.  Hopefully people can exercise some caution and so on, and remember to follow the guidelines.

[Helgoland]

That stuff got pretty heated, yeah.
Anybody up for a change in topic?

[Reelya]

I was reading the thread about the Jane Elliot video (the blue eyes / brown eyes experiment).

This is my take on the problems with it - in the original experiment, the group was racially homogenous, there was no preexisting us/them divide. Then, they're divided by an arbitrary rule into blue eye / brown eyes groups.

Bigotry ensues; then, deprogramming / debriefing, the children realize that the division was false, and see how easily they slipped into an us/them divide that didn't exist. And, therefore existing racial lines don't mean a thing.

The problem therefore, is that the British example we saw, is no longer arbitrary since it's involving a mixed-race group, and the eye-color factor that was arbitrary, is now largely distributed on preexisting racial boundaries. Getting people to bicker while divided largely along pre-existing racial boundaries cannot possibly "break down" the barriers.

The equivalent would be to take a room full of Jews and Nazis, put the Jews in charge, watch the sparks fly, and then try and claim you've broken down the Jew/Nazi divide.

Now, either Jane Elliot should be well aware of the problems of running her "experiment" with mixed race crowds along the eye-color divide, so my guess is that she's doing this for career reasons.

[Max White]

Well the difference would be that Nazis, pretty much by definition, are racist against Jews. You have a choice about being a Nazi or not, and as a racially motivated hate group, being racist is an intrinsic property. White people, do not by definition, hate black people. Some of them do, certainly! But getting a room full of white people and asserting that they are all racist is just incorrect. You don't have a choice about being white, so people who are born white aren't going to change that when they choose to not be racist.

[kaijyuu]

Godwin's Law tangent:

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Remember there was more to the Nazi party than just racism. That was a big part (everyone loved to blame their problems on minorities those days), but it's very conceivable that many Nazi members bought the non-racist propaganda and tolerated/didn't care about the racist stuff.

It's kinda like being a Republican in Arizona. Not all the Republican members condone all the shit Hispanics get there, but want the other things the Republican party stands for.


Now, this doesn't absolve everything; complacency isn't free from guilt (far from it). It's just less racism and more apathy toward other's suffering when they could've fought against it.