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Loud Whispers

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7395 on: August 14, 2013, 09:57:00 am »

Did you contact Google about correcting that?
Nah, not bothered by it enough to care. Found it quite funny though.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7396 on: August 14, 2013, 09:58:50 am »

Many Western countries actually have it as a point of law that women cannot commit rape and that it is a strictly male crime.

The definition is correct in the region where Loud Whispers lives, and not for reasons of semantics.

The legal definition is not the end-all-be-all definition, though.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7397 on: August 14, 2013, 11:11:22 am »

I totes think we should go back to wereman and wyfman (or whatever other variants upon either word both have 'man' in but have some other letters in the word).
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7398 on: August 14, 2013, 11:16:01 am »

Yeoman and woman?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7399 on: August 14, 2013, 11:31:28 am »

Dibs on human.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7400 on: August 14, 2013, 11:33:31 am »

Yeah, that is something that needs to change. Though, since there are contexts where it matters, we cannot simply dispense with gender-specific nouns and just go to "human".
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7401 on: August 14, 2013, 11:44:32 am »

I mean... why can't we say "humankind?"  Etc.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7402 on: August 14, 2013, 11:47:05 am »

Seriously, English speakers have no right to complain about gender-specific nouns, there barely are any compared to other languages. Imagine you had to talk about "rapistresses and rapists" to be politically correct.  ;)
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7403 on: August 14, 2013, 12:01:36 pm »

Reminds me of David Brins uplift universe - In that series, he had "man" as the generic term for human, while "Mel" and "Fem" were the terms for a specific gender.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7404 on: August 14, 2013, 12:03:28 pm »

Yeah, that is something that needs to change. Though, since there are contexts where it matters, we cannot simply dispense with gender-specific nouns and just go to "human".
No, as in I was suggesting we replace male context of man and replace it with human. Then there'd be no conflict over man...kind.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7405 on: August 14, 2013, 12:03:43 pm »

So... your father would always be the melman?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7406 on: August 14, 2013, 01:18:14 pm »

Working with sex offenders runs in my family and many of them are female, or became abusers due to sexual abuse carried out by their mothers.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7407 on: August 14, 2013, 01:40:51 pm »

I mean... why can't we say "humankind?"  Etc.
Oh, yeah, that is a better way to go for that sort of thing. I meant there are contexts like dating where gender-specific nouns have relevance and "male" and "female" are likely to come off as clinical or dehumanizing, although then again if we're hypothesizing better language structures anyway there's no particular reason to keep either of those objections as valid, I suppose.
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“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7408 on: August 14, 2013, 02:08:46 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/video/outrage-over-forced-sterilization-female-150136080.html

Women in prisons are being forced into sterilization, given the racial bias in conviction and sentencing outcomes, this may constitute a literal genocide in America.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7409 on: August 14, 2013, 02:12:55 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/video/outrage-over-forced-sterilization-female-150136080.html

Women in prisons are being forced into sterilization, given the racial bias in conviction and sentencing outcomes, this may constitute a literal genocide in America.

The comments on that page are just terrible...
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