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[Vector]

Maybe because I know exactly how much of a woman's life is planned around no one ever knowing that she's having a period.

And maybe because I'm not so stupid as to not know how they'll explain it.  Because they're not the ones having periods.  Which is awfully convenient, because they use their lack of knowledge of female reproductive systems to remove us from the conversation about how they're going to legislate female reproductive systems.

And maybe it's not appropriate to play devil's advocate when there's so many people who actually mean it, and maybe the correct response to people trying to take away your bodily autonomy is, in fact, hostility.

[SalmonGod]

Yeah... I really have no idea what you were trying to accomplish with your devil's advocacy there.  Usually people do that to demonstrate that even if no one present agrees with it, there is a legitimacy to the other side.  If anything, you further reinforced the very opposite idea.

[kingfisher1112]

Maybe because I know exactly how much of a woman's life is planned around no one ever knowing that she's having a period.

And maybe because I'm not so stupid as to not know how they'll explain it.  Because they're not the ones having periods.  Which is awfully convenient, because they use their lack of knowledge of female reproductive systems to remove us from the conversation about how they're going to legislate female reproductive systems.

And maybe it's not appropriate to play devil's advocate when there's so many people who actually mean it, and maybe the correct response to people trying to take away your bodily autonomy is, in fact, hostility.

So first you claim there are no female legislators or people involoved in this descision, any involved in the abortion legislation, and sanitary products are not " Bodily Autonomy". They are products to make your life easier.

And the legislation about abortion isn't about female reproductive systems, it's about morality, and what we consider a life. Not anatomy.

And I didn't get hostile when people started critiscising the fact concealed carry was allowed there, and I'm a huge advocate of concealed carry. You don't need to get angry at someone just for that.

Yeah... I really have no idea what you were trying to accomplish with your devil's advocacy there.  Usually people do that to demonstrate that even if no one present agrees with it, there is a legitimacy to the other side.  If anything, you further reinforced the very opposite idea.

But there is a legitimacy. As much as it's stupid, it holds somewhat of a noble idea. Just one half of one.

[Scelly9]

Kingfisher, if blood started dripping down someone's legs, they're going to be forcibly removed from the building. If stopping yourself from being kicked out of a conference doesn't qualify as bodily autonomy, I don't know what does.

[SalmonGod]

Yeah... I really have no idea what you were trying to accomplish with your devil's advocacy there.  Usually people do that to demonstrate that even if no one present agrees with it, there is a legitimacy to the other side.  If anything, you further reinforced the very opposite idea.

But there is a legitimacy. As much as it's stupid, it holds somewhat of a noble idea. Just one half of one.

I have yet to understand what that half of a noble idea is, or how "women can live without that stuff anyway" is supposed to help me understand.

[kingfisher1112]

Kingfisher, if blood started dripping down someone's legs, they're going to be forcibly removed from the building. If stopping yourself from being kicked out of a conference doesn't qualify as bodily autonomy, I don't know what does.

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Why would they be kicked out? Why haven't you noticed it before it gets to the stage of dripping down your legs? Why aren't you allowed to go to the bathroom?

Yeah... I really have no idea what you were trying to accomplish with your devil's advocacy there.  Usually people do that to demonstrate that even if no one present agrees with it, there is a legitimacy to the other side.  If anything, you further reinforced the very opposite idea.

But there is a legitimacy. As much as it's stupid, it holds somewhat of a noble idea. Just one half of one.

I have yet to understand what that half of a noble idea is, or how "women can live without that stuff anyway" is supposed to help me understand.

It's only to stop disgusting, possibly toxic things getting thrown and interfering with proceedings. And temporary. They only need to go without for 1~ day.

[Vector]

It is freezing outside and the homeless are dying.  I have a house.  I am not required to let the homeless in and save their lives.

I have two kidneys and an innocent is dying for lack of a kidney.  I can survive with one kidney.  I am not required to give that kidney.

But get pregnant just once, and your body belongs to someone else. 

It's only to stop disgusting, possibly toxic things getting thrown and interfering with proceedings. And temporary. They only need to go without for 1~ day.

Clean sanitary products are clean.  They're just a little cotton.  You want to keep out used ones, you should be doing a cavity search.  Or better yet--just keeping all the women out.

It often takes less than five minutes to soak through two layers of clothing, and it doesn't stop dripping if you go to the bathroom.  It's not like you have a blood-bladder you choose to pee out of or not.  And you start noticeably reeking of blood almost immediately.  Go without for a day means you don't go.

[Scelly9]

Kingfisher, if blood started dripping down someone's legs, they're going to be forcibly removed from the building. If stopping yourself from being kicked out of a conference doesn't qualify as bodily autonomy, I don't know what does.

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Why would they be kicked out?

Because nobody wants blood all over the carpet/floor/seats.

Why haven't you noticed it before it gets to the stage of dripping down your legs?

See vector's post.

Why aren't you allowed to go to the bathroom?

Also see vectors post.

[SalmonGod]

It's only to stop disgusting, possibly toxic things getting thrown and interfering with proceedings. And temporary. They only need to go without for 1~ day.

So they're afraid of an aggressive expression of disapproval.  Yet they don't do anything to prevent any other form of aggressive expression of disapproval.  Only the one that severely impedes and embarrasses women.  Coincidentally, the same group of people who face serious threat of harm due to the issue being voted on.  Yeah, this doesn't add up to anything more than blatant mockery and discrimination no matter how I look at it.

[Vector]

Also, you said something about moist towelettes and toilet paper.

What, you think they can't throw those?  Or an old pair of bloodstained underwear (you know, that one gnarly pair you always wear on the first day of your period because you don't want to drip on your nice ones), with a nice fresh coat?

No, either the women are going in naked or you've got the possibility of having something bloodstained thrown at you.  And yet this somehow manages to not happen.

I understand.  We women are a pretty rowdy, hostile bunch.  But sanitary products are pretty expensive, so we're not really into wasting those pelting legislators, because we might need them.

[kingfisher1112]

It is freezing outside and the homeless are dying.  I have a house.  I am not required to let the homeless in and save their lives.

I have two kidneys and an innocent is dying for lack of a kidney.  I can survive with one kidney.  I am not required to give that kidney.

But get pregnant just once, and your body belongs to someone else. 

Yeah, slip on the wheel just once and you're dead. Forget to unload a gun and you're dead. Slip with a knife? Dead. That's why you take steps to not do those things. Just like you take steps to not get pregnant. You created life whether you like it or not. You have no right to remove it because you were an idiot and didn't take steps. There ain't no rewind on life, so don't ask for one. Of course, in the case of rape that's fair. ( Perhaps encouraging for rapists considering there will be no baby at the end) However, if you were an idiot, adoption. You don't have a baby, there's no life lost, everybody wins.

[Vector]

You're a reprehensible fuckhead and I'm not talking to you anymore.  Sorry.

[kingfisher1112]

You're a reprehensible fuckhead and I'm not talking to you anymore.  Sorry.

Scuse me' checking my privilge. Wouldn't want any Womyn to be offended. Don't even try to rebut. It's all mine and the government's fault that people can't keep a lid on their emotions and properly manage risks.

[Descan]

Oh my god, do you even read what you write or does it just spill out of you like a poached whale?

[kingfisher1112]

Oh my god, do you even read what you write or does it just spill out of you like a poached whale?

So calm and cool and progressive in here...