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[Leafsnail]

No, we have badass horses.
And isn't it a little bit silly not to carry a gun?

Not when it leads to far more innocent people being shot than crimes prevented.

You have heard about the police in the UK massaging the statistics attempting to make it seem like the crime rate has gone down, right?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6736505/Police-force-tricks-to-fiddle-crime-figures.html

Oh really?

You're just quoting random news articles without actually attempting to form any kind of argument

[Owlbread]

Some of our fine polis do carry guns, you'll see them in airports carrying assault rifles and submachine guns. I don't know what position they have though or if they're MOD police. Indeed, in Northern Ireland the police are armed with glocks, introduced to replace the old ruger revolvers they carried. Concealed-carry of handguns for civilians is possible in Northern Ireland.

It's funny though, I actually trust my neighbours with guns more than I do any policeman. I get more nervous when I see Scotland's finest with a bloody huge G36 than when I see civilians with guns.

[Reelya]

You have heard about the police in the UK massaging the statistics attempting to make it seem like the crime rate has gone down, right?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6736505/Police-force-tricks-to-fiddle-crime-figures.html

You are aware that 3rd parties have also seen lowering trends of crime today, and that half of violent crime in the UK does not end with any injury at all? 1 2

Meanwhile in Australia. Does anyone know where you can find the speech from the Vietnamese Buddhist monk about how people change when you put guns in their hands?

Oh really?

Just so you now, this article was a link on the bottom of the one you just posted...

I'm going with this one as more credible, since it's kind of hard to "fake" the murder rate dropping in half, and that should be a reasonable indicator of violence rising or falling. What were Labour supposedly doing? Shoving bodies under the bed or something?

One one side you have this study, and the British Crime Survey which is run every year, both in agreement that violent crime has fallen (whether it's reported or not). On the other, you have some statistical wizardry and tabloid newspapers, which are using rising reporting rates to say that society is more violent - when it could easily be that violence isn't as tolerated / normalized as it used to be. It might occur to one that violent crime reporting rates could have increased in the 10 years (partly due to Britain having so many CCTV cameras).

[Leafsnail]

As far as I can tell they're comparing the actual rise in crime rate due to the reporting changes to the predicted rise which the Home Office initially gave.  All this does is demonstrate that the Home Office's predictions were totally wrong (and if you look at the crime survey you can see this).

Some of our fine polis do carry guns, you'll see them in airports carrying assault rifles and submachine guns. I don't know what position they have though or if they're MOD police. Indeed, in Northern Ireland the police are armed with glocks, introduced to replace the old ruger revolvers they carried. Concealed-carry of handguns for civilians is possible in Northern Ireland.

Certain police do have guns - mainly the ones guarding vulnerable areas and armed response units.

[Owlbread]

I'm still quite disconcerted by these AFOs with their enormous assault rifles on patrol. They seem a bit over-the-top, but I suppose they have to be to deter terrorists.

[Devling]

I would rather have better trained cops then unarmed cops.
More training = Less possibility for a cop to freak out under pressure and shoot a guy

[Leafsnail]

And I would rather we just use magic to make everybody get along in peace and harmony.

[Moghjubar]

And I would rather we just use magic LOTS OF MARIJUANA to make everybody get along in peace and harmony.

Fixed.

[SalmonGod]

Living in a nation where the police are signifigantly more effective, less inept, less corrupt and generally far more human than the examples from round the world I see on here makes me very greatful, and also alarmed that such things seem so "normal" in many states.

Do you live in the UK?

And I don't think that's normal for those states. It is pretty abhorrent that this stuff happens, and I don't think that the public stands for it. I myself living in Australia is great. My mum being a police officer has given me a huge insight on what police culture is actually like, and the police here are great, for the most part.

Yeah, I wondered if you were actually from the U.S.

The police are very much out of control here, and getting more so as time goes on.  Cold blooded murders in plain sight have become something that happens at least a couple times a year, and new cases of brutality, corruption, and blatant disregard for legality and protocol are revealed literally every single day.  I personally know at least twice as many people who have been victims of police misconduct or negligence as have been victims of crime.  I have one co-worker who lost a relative to police not too long ago, due to gross negligence of a medical condition while in their custody.  Officers that try to speak out about the corruption in their departments or who impede brutality in progress are promptly fired.  It's bad.  It's to the point that I will do my best to never get police involved in a situation unless certain death is the only alternative.

[GlyphGryph]

It varies a lot by place, to be truly honest - the US is very large, and very regional in how it handles enforcement. There are some places where the police are little more than an armed gang, and others where they really are the civil servants they are supposed to be.

[BinaryBeast1010011010]

Just asking, what do you guys think about the retaliative actions taken against LEO such as opsec?
Even if I like neither the mob mentality surrounding anonymous nor the vigilante concept in its entirety I do believe that if it was not for the institutional shield protecting them LEO would not be so corrupt and violent.

[Loud Whispers]

Just asking, what do you guys think about the retaliative actions taken against LEO such as opsec?

Almost non-existent.

[Scoops Novel]

LEO and opsec?

[SalmonGod]

I don't know about opsec, but LEO stands for Law Enforcement Organization

[BinaryBeast1010011010]

Opsec is a serie of hacks pulled against various peoples and places such as sheriff offices, individual cops and so on