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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1287323 times)

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5520 on: April 07, 2013, 04:28:53 pm »

SalmonGod, it sounds like it's more of a dick boss issue, then a technology issue.
I can use fire to cook food, or I can use it burn shit. Doesn't make fire bad or good. If something causes more bad things to happen then good, you probably shouldn't use it. But it doesn't make the technology itself bad.

The technology (camera's) isn't bad. The use of camera's to create surveillance state and infringe on the privacy and freedom of expression of all people at all times IS a bad thing.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5521 on: April 07, 2013, 04:31:59 pm »

SalmonGod, it sounds like it's more of a dick boss issue, then a technology issue.
I can use fire to cook food, or I can use it burn shit. Doesn't make fire bad or good. If something causes more bad things to happen then good, you probably shouldn't use it. But it doesn't make the technology itself bad.

There's more to it than that.  It's a sociological structure issue.  It's a stanford prison experiment issue.  You can't give a person fire and the privilege to burn shit, and then expect them not to burn shit they don't like.

Tools are neutral and can be used for good or bad.  This is true.  But circumstances matter too.

A gun is also a neutral tool, but that doesn't mean all people should have access to them in all situations.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5522 on: April 07, 2013, 07:46:49 pm »

Okay, so we are both an agreement? I guess? You guys are sounding kinda confrontational when I'm basically just agreeing with you. And throwing in my two cents.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5523 on: April 07, 2013, 07:48:53 pm »

Personally I want Google Glass or something like it to become ubiquitous, sousveillance, WITH the cops filming too like in that news report.

EVERYONE IS ON FILM!

Privacy issues related to embarrassing moments might be an issue, though...
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5524 on: April 07, 2013, 08:01:09 pm »

There's already an app that records, and not only makes the recording, but sends it realtime to a location of your choosing. Combined with Google Glass, all smashing your camera will do is give you a video of a cop taking and smashing your camera.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5525 on: April 11, 2013, 01:49:10 am »

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/10/17691775-social-conservatives-warn-priebus-they-could-abandon-gop?lite

Chickens, meet roost. I don't think anyone couldn't see this coming tbh. The GOP made a blood pact, tying their survival to a then-majority but ever-shrinking faction in exchange for their support, and now have no easy way of escaping.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5526 on: April 11, 2013, 02:04:07 am »

Oh conservatives, you would legislate against your own mother if it bought a majority of votes...

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5527 on: April 11, 2013, 02:33:43 am »

True of anyone able to get elected sadly, that's how the system works.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5528 on: April 11, 2013, 10:25:05 am »

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/10/17691775-social-conservatives-warn-priebus-they-could-abandon-gop?lite

Chickens, meet roost. I don't think anyone couldn't see this coming tbh. The GOP made a blood pact, tying their survival to a then-majority but ever-shrinking faction in exchange for their support, and now have no easy way of escaping.

I don't think the GOP should back down on supporting better social issues because people further to the right don't like it. Just as the Democrats don't need to support radical-leftist issues to get the far left to vote for them instead of the GOP, the GOP can just say "so who you gonna vote for then, the Democrats??". The GOP will still be the "lesser of two evils" from the conservative point of view, and should sensibly bring their platform more towards the center to pick up more votes.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5529 on: April 11, 2013, 11:03:26 pm »

They're going to vote for the Constitution party, obviously.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5530 on: April 12, 2013, 03:55:39 am »

Or more likely just not vote. American elections aren't about popularity so much as who can get more people to bother showing up.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5531 on: April 12, 2013, 04:01:09 am »

Even so, just look at last year's Obama campaign. What he did was frightening people into voting by keep showing how bad romney was. The GOP can just do the same thing.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5532 on: April 12, 2013, 05:35:29 am »

Even so, just look at last year's Obama campaign. What he did was frightening people into voting by keep showing how bad romney was. The GOP can just do the same thing.

I actually think this is the only reason most people make the effort on either side.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5533 on: April 12, 2013, 07:37:47 am »

Yeah, which mean any threat by the far-right/left to stay at home is mostly moot.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5534 on: April 12, 2013, 10:26:21 am »

It's the crux of the issue with the two party system. You wind up with people voting less on who they feel would make the best leaders, and more on who they feel they are least opposed to as leaders.
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