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« Reply #4005 on: November 13, 2012, 07:32:19 pm »

The phrase you're looking for is "stereotype threat."  The standard test w.r.t. standard tests is to note that black folks and women who have to declare these things before taking a math exam do far worse than those who don't.  It's not even about pep talks, it's about being told "we're paying attention to your race/gender.  Now let's see if you satisfy the stereotype or not."  This increases stress, which causes a deterioration of exam performance.
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« Reply #4006 on: November 13, 2012, 07:44:08 pm »

I was actually thinking of an article which worked a little different to the methodology of "stereotype threat" i think i read on science2.0 or some such science news aggregator. It specifically was not "stereotype threat". I already know about that.

Part of the way to alleviate any stereotype threat if you still want demgraphic data is as simple as ensuring that you collect any gender/race info after the test, not before it.
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« Reply #4007 on: November 13, 2012, 07:45:35 pm »

Oh, okay.  But yeah, a lot of the IQ tests and stuff rely on things like a picture of a teacup and "draw what is missing" (the saucer), which will only occur to you if you're in a certain cultural position.
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« Reply #4008 on: November 13, 2012, 07:51:37 pm »

Yeah, I'm not much of a fan of IQ testing methodology. Much of the field fails at being science.

One problem is that most science fields start with data and then fit theory to that data. Even if you start with theory, you collect data as objectively as possible, and you have falsifiable predictions etc.

Whereas the IQ field starts with theory (ideological assumptions), then throws out data sets (by creating "calibrated" tests) that do not match the theory, thus the assumptions of the field are unfalsifiable.

But I did think that things like pictures of steamships, telephones, saucer and cups have been a HUGE no-no for a long time in IQ testing? That sort of tech/cultural bias is fairly old news and has been debated for many decades.

Not much can be done with vocabulary questions, those still have a LOT of potential cultural bias, but omitting vocabulary questions is problematic, for ideological test-creation reasons, since the balance of spatial vs verbal is how they mainly calibrate equality between the genders.
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« Reply #4009 on: November 13, 2012, 10:19:41 pm »

Audio from Lambis's Interview with Atwater Released

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You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

Well I'm glad that it's on the record in a manner which can't be questioned (barring complete reality denial).
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« Reply #4010 on: November 14, 2012, 12:51:15 am »

Venezuela Wins Seat on UN Human Rights Council

FOX is outraged that Venezuela got a seat on UN Human Rights Council. I guess all those people Chavez ordered killed (grand total: Zero) will be rolling in their non-existent graves.

It's a country with no death penalty, never started a war, no "disappeared" or assassinated opposition leaders, unlike many countries that the USA holds up as beacons of freedom (looking at you, Colombia).

You'll notice that FOX's anti-Venezuela "human rights" article above, cannot list a SINGLE violent accusation against Chavez - not one single suppression of demonstrators, not one killing, not one incident of torture, etc. All the things they accuse him of is "being powerful." through means such as having a parliamentary majority, and appointing friendly supreme court judges - which I'd argue is a natural right conferred by winning the elections in the first place.

and the idea that Chavez "controls the media" is bullshit, just read Venezuelan newspapers online. El Universal, the leading daily, is openly anti-Chavez to the level of FOX News, and has never been shut down:
http://www.eluniversal.com/english/

If winning a majority of seats in parliament makes you a human-rights abuser, than i guess that invalidates every single government in the world.
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« Reply #4011 on: November 14, 2012, 12:59:08 am »

It is rather suspicious how much influence he has. The absence of all but light dissent makes me wary of him at the least.

Still better than the time Iran got on the Women's Rights Council, though.
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« Reply #4012 on: November 14, 2012, 12:59:39 am »

dude, all the TV channels and newspapers hate Chavez. There is one single state owned channel which has fairly small market share.

Read el Universal, their leading paper

The corporate media there is constantly thinking up anti-chavez conspiracy theories, daily.
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« Reply #4013 on: November 14, 2012, 01:02:00 am »

I mean in the sense that the National Assembly is firmly in his pocket and has been for a long time. That's something that doesn't generally happen in a functioning democracy.
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« Reply #4014 on: November 14, 2012, 01:03:17 am »

You'll notice that FOX's anti-Venezuela "human rights" article above, cannot list a SINGLE violent accusation against Chavez - not one single suppression of demonstrators, not one killing, not one incident of torture, etc. All the things they accuse him of is "being powerful." through means such as having a parliamentary majority.
Mighty powerful though. And do you know who else was powerful? Hitler!

You clearly don't understand the progression. Socialism=Communism=Bad=Repression=NoHumanRights. It's basic maths.

Still better than the time Iran got on the Women's Rights Council, though.
Please tell me that is not a thing. Please.

At least it's not, well no, even that is better. Uhh. Hmm.

Well, at least it wasn't North korea on Internet freedom.
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« Reply #4015 on: November 14, 2012, 01:04:34 am »

North Korea, while a member of the UN, generally does not attend and is thus not appointed to things very often.
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« Reply #4016 on: November 14, 2012, 01:06:35 am »

North Korea, while a member of the UN, generally does not attend and is thus not appointed to things very often.
And I think we can all agree it is a good thing.
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« Reply #4017 on: November 14, 2012, 01:07:49 am »

the meme spread about Chavez's 100% media control is a propaganda piece, itself. What the truth behind that is two TV channels conspired with the army to overthrow Chavez in 2002 in a violent takeover, massacred civilian protestors, and imposed a fascist regime which abolished the constitution, parliament, supreme court, election commission, human-rights ombusdman.

And the corporate media there LAPPED IT UP and supported these violent thugs who sent armoured cars around machine-gunning down crowds of unarmed Chavez supporters.

The company that ran TV station RCTV which helped organized and carry out the coup, didn't get their broadcast license renewed when it expired. But none of the went to jail.

What would you do if Rupert Murdoch led an armed overthrow of the government and massacred thousands of Democrats in the street while imposing a fascist military dictatorship? Would YOU let him keep broadcasting after his Junta was overthrown?

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« Reply #4018 on: November 14, 2012, 01:15:43 am »

I mean in the sense that the National Assembly is firmly in his pocket and has been for a long time. That's something that doesn't generally happen in a functioning democracy.

That's because the Venezuelan opposition lead a violent coup in 2002 and massacred a lot of people, including THEIR OWN GUYS so they could blame the socialists. All this is on video with alarming amounts of evidence. They just didn't hide their tracks because they didn't expect the lower-rank soldiers to rebel and put the elected government back into power.

Since then, the opposition hasn't had any credibility. It's kind of hard to do when your guys shot civilians on camera.

also, look it up, the opposition deliberately boycotted the 2005 parliamentary elections because they knew they were going to lose, Chavez's party won a lot of seats, then the Bush administration who were allied with the opposition used the fact of their parliamentary dominance to claim he was a dictator / rigged elections somehow.

Plus, the 20% are the well-off whites and the 80% were the oppressed mixed-race peasant majority, who now pretty much all vote socialist because they remember the old days of police massacres and beat beaten and shot. That's one thing Chavez can boast since he got in. 100% less government-ordered massacres.

this is the most famous massacre before Chavez got in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracazo
It happened the same year as the Tienamin Square massacre in China, funny the West never covered this in the news:

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The Caracazo or sacudón is the name given to the wave of protests, riots and looting and ensuing massacre[1] that occurred on 27 February 1989 in the Venezuelan capital Caracas and surrounding towns. The riots — the worst in Venezuelan history — resulted in a death toll of anywhere between 275 and 3,000 deaths,[2] mostly at the hands of security forces. The main reason for the protests were the neoliberal, pro-market reforms imposed by the government of Carlos Andrés Pérez, who had recently been elected in a campaign where he promised the opposite of such reforms.[1]

The clearest consequence of the Caracazo was political instability. The following February, the army was called to contain similar riots in Puerto La Cruz and Barcelona, and again in June, when rising of transportation costs ended in riots in Maracaibo and other cities. The free-market reforms programme was modified. In 1992 there were two attempted coups d'état, in February and November. Carlos Andrés Pérez was accused of corruption and removed from the presidency. Hugo Chávez, an organiser of one of the coups, was found guilty of sedition and incarcerated. However, he was subsequently pardoned by Pérez's successor, Rafael Caldera, and went on to be elected president after him.

In 1998, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights condemned the government's action, and referred the case to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights. In 1999, the Court heard the case and found that the government had committed violations of human rights, including extrajudicial killings. The Venezuelan government, by then headed by Chávez, did not contest the findings of the case, and accepted full responsibility for the government's actions.[3]

276 is the "official" death toll. most accounts say ~2000. but idk about the following massacres of the next few years.

Now, you might have heard Chavez himself led a coup in 1992. But consider that he lead a coup against a psychotic regime that had a bazillion massacres of civilians over the preceding 3 years ... and consider that the party which conducted those massacres is still one of the biggest opposition parties.
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« Reply #4019 on: November 14, 2012, 01:36:25 am »

Venezolan elections have repeatedly been held with international observers, who found no fault. I find Chavez too flamboyant for my taste, but the whole "He's a dictator!" rap he gets is an obvious propaganda scheme.
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