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[Frumple]

Washington in particular looked like it had things up to the level of separate but equal, at the very least, before this, according to a cursory search (i.e. checked the wiki page).

Be nice if the washington ref got through, though, even if it's sorta' in the opposite direction I'd find ideal. Personally, I'd love it if marriage was just dissolved as a legal construct and everything on the legal level was civil unions. It'd shut a lot of the religious folks up about same-sex relationships, at least insofar as the legal aspects are concerned.

[kaijyuu]

I'd love to dissolve it further and just go with "households" or something similar.

[GlyphGryph]

We found out decades ago that "separate, but equal" doesn't really work.

Well, hey know, it still seems to be working and have a lot of support in some cases. I dare say the vast majority of the US supports separate but equal enforced gender segregation. Just makes everyone more comfortable to only be around those of the same gender, you know? No one seems particularly interested in changing that, so I would say it works.

For matters like this, of course, where it isn't actually equal and people are quite unhappy about it, though, it's obviously a problem.

[Descan]

I would prefer gender neutral everything. Then again, as a gay man, I want everyone as uncomfortable in the showers as I am.

[Reelya]

Unisex toilets + Alcohol, though, sounds like a BAD mix as far as security goes. I've only seen 1 pub in my life that tried that, basically because they were too cheap to stick another loo in the front bar, and the place dated from the era when there was a men's bar and a ladies bar (which they later turned into a bistro).

[kaijyuu]

Yeah I'd prefer all the gender segregation to be done away with, myself. It's not a huge deal in most cases, but for some it's a hassle. Just ask a transsexual which bathroom they should go into.

Then again, as a gay man, I want everyone as uncomfortable in the showers as I am.

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[lorb]

Washington in particular looked like it had things up to the level of separate but equal, at the very least, before this, according to a cursory search (i.e. checked the wiki page).

It still is far from equal because anything that is not a marriage is not recognized as one on the federal level and because of that you don't get any federal tax breaks, federal benefits and so forth no matter how equal you are on state level. But there is movement to transform same-sex civil unions into full marriages.

[Nadaka]

Even marriage doesn't qualify for equal federal protection thanks to DOMA, however any sane supreme court would cast DOMA down as unconstitutional under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, if only we had a sane supreme court.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That isn't fair, the Supreme Court has never even reviewed DOMA. They can't unless it is brought to them, which it probably will be as two of the District Courts have struck down DOMA for that very reason.

[scriver]

Then again, as a gay man, I want everyone as uncomfortable in the showers as I am.

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Aha! Now we have it writing! I knew the Gay Agenda could not be denied forever! To the press-machines!

[TripJack]

separate bathrooms are 'gender segregation' now?

beautiful

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Even if you don't think its wrong, separate bathrooms for separate genders is by definition gender segregation. What else would you call it?

[GlyphGryph]

When were they ever /not/ gender segregation? And we have gender-specific gyms and clubs and other businesses and whatnot too.

[Darvi]

Imo there shouldn't even be gender integration because imo people shouldn't even be together in dressing rooms bathrooms etc regardless of gender. So yeah.

[GlyphGryph]

Darvi, your solution sounds incredibly expensive compared to the current system and would greatly ruin the bonds of the sauna.