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[Sheb]

And when judges make a mistake and apply the death penalty, innocent dies.

[kaijyuu]

Invariably mistakes will be made, but just make sure your preventative measures aren't worse than what you're trying to prevent.

[Leafsnail]

There is an actual "life without parole" punishment in the UK.  As in, you're never ever going to be considered for release unless your convictions are quashed.  That's the alternative to the death penalty.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There is an actual "life without parole" punishment in the UK.  As in, you're never ever going to be considered for release unless your convictions are quashed.  That's the alternative to the death penalty.

....That isn't present in other places? It's present in the US, at least.

[Leafsnail]

From the way Sirus was talking I assumed they didn't have them in his area.

[Sirus]

From the way Sirus was talking I assumed they didn't have them in his area.

Pretty sure they do. Problem is I'm not sure where the dividing line between "life with possibility of parole" and "life without parole" lies. If Manson can get parole, how bad do you have to be to not get it?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Sometimes it isn't a matter of badness. It is usually the judge's prerogative.

Anyway, Manson can't get parole. He is eligible for it, but he'll never get it.

Brevik, on the other hand, will never get released since he's so fucking crazy that it would never be appropriate to, and thus none of his reviews will ever pass.

[Jervill]

So, as the election is tomorrow, there are four ballot measures concerning LGBT rights that need to be monitored.
BALLOT MEASURES TO LEGALIZE SAME SEX MARRIAGE (Basically, "Yes" is the desired result for progressives on these three ballot measures)
Maine
Question 1 would overturn the same sex marriage ban in the state if it passes.
Maryland
Question 6 determines whether or not to uphold same sex marriage law passed by the legislature earlier this year.
Washington
Referendum 74 would determine whether same sex marriage would be legal in the state.

BALLOT MEASURE TO BAN SAME SEX MARRIAGE
Minnesota
Amendment to ban same sex marriage.  Hoping for a "No" victory here.

[Scoops Novel]

I disagree on the euthanasia front for one of the same reasons i disagree with the death penalty front unless under exceptional circumstances, which is a "next" is far from guaranteed and their lifetime is the only chance you have of having them understand what they've done. No opt outs in any shape or form, but that does not mean no kindness.

[10ebbor10]

Brevik, on the other hand, will never get released since he's so fucking crazy that it would never be appropriate to, and thus none of his reviews will ever pass.

Never say never. Though it's highly unlikely, it might be possible. Got something similair in Belgium with the whole Dutroux case (which caused the reform of most of the Belgian justice and police systems). While there were nowhere near that amount of victims (nor is the case comparable) you'd say they'd never get him or his wife released. Guess what happened earlier this year. (Though there was a lot of public protest about it, and she was only let go provided she'd take up residence in a cloister order).

I do approve of that though, people deserve a second chance.

[GlyphGryph]

Preventing someone from ending their life is basically the complete obliteration of bodily autonomy and express tyranny of one's will over another. People have the right to many plenty of other life altering decisions, why not give them the most important one?

Mind you, I honestly think we should move towards legalizing self-suicide before worrying about the euthanasia stuff. Allow doctors to set up a situation where a patient can self-administer, for example.

but that does not mean no kindness.

If you say I have no choice but to suffer for months in unbearable agony, or remain almost completely unconscious via drugs, all the while piling hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt on my family, expressly in opposition to my desires, "for my own good" - yes, an absence of kindness (or any shred of decency, respect, or recognition of my rights as a human being) is very much the result.

[Sheb]

10ebbor10, his wife had a lighter sentence, and there is a rational for freeing her (Namely that she was unde rhis influence). Dutroux will never, ever get out. He was condemned with a specific clause that allow the government to keep him longer if deemed necessary, and no government ever is going to free Dutroux.

[10ebbor10]

10ebbor10, his wife had a lighter sentence, and there is a rational for freeing her (Namely that she was unde rhis influence). Dutroux will never, ever get out. He was condemned with a specific clause that allow the government to keep him longer if deemed necessary, and no government ever is going to free Dutroux.

I know, just saying. Nothing is permanent. (Also, he did escape once, which was what resulted in the whole result stuff.)

As for people never getting out, we'll see. Don't be sure of everything. Also, there's no specific clause, just lifelong sentence, which is indeed for the rest of your live. (Actually, it's that +10 years ...)

[Darvi]

Well I doubt that they'll keep him in there post-mortem. Right?

[Nadaka]

10ebbor10, his wife had a lighter sentence, and there is a rational for freeing her (Namely that she was unde rhis influence). Dutroux will never, ever get out. He was condemned with a specific clause that allow the government to keep him longer if deemed necessary, and no government ever is going to free Dutroux.

That may be the case for Dutroux. But for Breivik, he may be released if his message is successful and his country descends to radical nationalism.