Right, so your position is that a person being raped should think of their assailant before themselves. I was just making sure.
My position is to make sure the victim doesn't
become the assailant. Using self-defense, you have to weigh the force used versus the force being received. If the force used is "heavier" than the force being received on the scale of balance, you're no longer the victim. I mean, if a thief steals your purse, do you really think you have a right to pull out a gun and kill him? Because that's why there exists a thing called disproportionate use of violence.
Chapter 24 of the Swedish Criminal Code §1:
En gärning som någon begår i nödvärn utgör brott endast om den med hänsyn till angreppets beskaffenhet, det angripnas betydelse och omständigheterna i övrigt är uppenbart oförsvarlig.
"An act committed in self-defense is a crime only if it with respect to the nature of the aggression, the importance of the affected and the circumstances in general is blatantly unjustifiable."
You ask if I would attack to debilitate or kill in my defense? That is a terribly naive question. You have not been paying attention. Every time you attack someone, you are taking a chance that they will die. And every time you shy away from the task with impotent half attempts you are putting yourself at greater risk.
If I am going to attack someone in self defense, I am going to debilitate them in the most efficient way possible. I will not take the chance that a shot to the leg or arm does not stop their advance. I will not take the chance that they might be tough enough that a crack to the skull will fail to stop them. I will not take the chance for them to pin me down and overpower me. The attacks with the highest chance of disabling someone are exactly the same attacks with the highest chance of killing. There is no difference between attacking to disable and attacking to kill.
The difference between shoot to kill and shoot to debilitate is that the probability of death in the latter is orders of magnitudes lower compared to the former. If you shoot in the head, chances are it will kill the assailant. If you shoot in the kneecap, he's not going to be able to move on two feet. The worst that can happen is he bleeds to death, but chances are that by the time the police and paramedics arrive at the scene he'll still be alive if you call them as soon as possible.
Nevermind that, in the most common situation of male attacking female, the attacker is almost definitely going to have the upperhand. If that early advantage isn't pushed it means you're almost assuredly at their mercy, and the sound strategy is to open with the best chance at an incapacitating strike. But I'm sure da_nang just wants targets to shrug their shoulders and go "Well, I don't want to actually kill the guy, and since shooting him in the leg didn't work I'll just sit here and let him absolutely dehumanize me. Gee, I hope he doesn't kill me afterwords!" Rapist: "I'm going to kill you afterwords." Target snapping fingers: "Darn. At least I have the moral high ground!"
Do I sound mad about this? I'm sorta mad about this. In a culture where rape is already horribly dealt with, he wants to add the idea that a person shouldn't adequately defend themselves because the poor Rapist's life is at stake, unless they're using lethal force themselves, which will totally easy to see beforehand because rapists carry guns or something! Let's not just blame the victims who survive an assault, let's make sure to shame them before they're even attacked into considering the life of the person willfully initiating a potentially lethal violent crime before their own safety!
Strawman. I'm sorry if I come off sounding callous or something but I can't possibly justify "death for an eye". I can't possibly justify killing someone if he didn't at least make an effort to show his intention to kill (e.g. pull out a gun on you). That's barbaric and not fitting in a civilized society. Let's not resort to barbarism in the name of self-defense. Act civilized and handle it nobly.
Cue magma. Can we please get another topic, I feel this is getting us nowhere.
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