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[Heron TSG]

Emphasis not on the expats so much as the foreign nationals, of course. I suppose that wasn't overly clear in my post, but the idea was that his trips to Britain and Israel both included fundraising dinners for expats (alright) and foreign nationals (less alright.)

[Sheb]

Where does it say there is fundraising from foreign nationals in these articles?

[MonkeyHead]

270 South African miners who took part in a protest over pay and conditions (the protest continues and the mine is closed as a result) are charged with the Murder of 34 of thier thier co-workers after police opened fire on thier protest...

Apparently this is an application of something called "common purpose" doctrine, originally used during the days of apartheid. It holds the protesters responsible as a group for the deaths, not the police that were "forced" to use deadly force. Not a single police officer has been charged. The ANC used to be very much against this law when it was used by the white minorty to opress South African blacks, but now the independant National Prosecution Authority is using it in a manner that seems to support them the ANC is strangely quiet.

[darkrider2]

270 South African miners who took part in a protest over pay and conditions (the protest continues and the mine is closed as a result) are charged with the Murder of 34 of thier thier co-workers after police opened fire on thier protest...

Apparently this is an application of something called "common purpose" doctrine, originally used during the days of apartheid. It holds the protesters responsible as a group for the deaths, not the police that were "forced" to use deadly force. Not a single police officer has been charged. The ANC used to be very much against this law when it was used by the white minorty to opress South African blacks, but now the independant National Prosecution Authority is using it in a manner that seems to support them the ANC is strangely quiet.

What. Just... what.

[Scelly9]

270 South African miners who took part in a protest over pay and conditions (the protest continues and the mine is closed as a result) are charged with the Murder of 34 of thier thier co-workers after police opened fire on thier protest...

Apparently this is an application of something called "common purpose" doctrine, originally used during the days of apartheid. It holds the protesters responsible as a group for the deaths, not the police that were "forced" to use deadly force. Not a single police officer has been charged. The ANC used to be very much against this law when it was used by the white minorty to opress South African blacks, but now the independant National Prosecution Authority is using it in a manner that seems to support them the ANC is strangely quiet.

Faith in humanity: At all time low.

[RedKing]

Same logic as the drunk wifebeater who yells, "Baby, why you gotta make me hit you?". 

It's kinda weird/depressing to see a black ANC government using leftover legal frameworks from apartheid to cover their own asses.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

South Africa is such a strange place. There's no middle ground there. Everything is either totally modernized or traditional and tribalistic, very wealthy or dirt poor, and the height of progressivism or a reactionary nightmare.

[RedKing]

It's hardly the only place in the world like that, but yes...it can be odd that way.

[Truean]

270 South African miners who took part in a protest over pay and conditions (the protest continues and the mine is closed as a result) are charged with the Murder of 34 of thier thier co-workers after police opened fire on thier protest...

Apparently this is an application of something called "common purpose" doctrine, originally used during the days of apartheid. It holds the protesters responsible as a group for the deaths, not the police that were "forced" to use deadly force. Not a single police officer has been charged. The ANC used to be very much against this law when it was used by the white minorty to opress South African blacks, but now the independant National Prosecution Authority is using it in a manner that seems to support them the ANC is strangely quiet.

Faith in humanity: At all time low.

Ditto. Jesus.

So it couldn't have possibly been the men holding the guns, pointing them at people, pulling the trigger, and killing them. Hell no. It was the group of people they were shooting into.

Shit, by that "logic," It's not the fault of the very smart terrorists who go downtown on separate days, one dressed in a business suit, one in a maintenance uniform, and another in plain old street clothes during a public sporting event/concert, to each individually set timebombs that will go off all at once in 7 days 11 hours 43 minutes and 27 seconds next to critical locations including the city's primary gas main feed after they've skipped the country long ago. Also, they release the criminally insane from the asylums in the city and the nearby suburbs as a distraction.... Na, it's the city's fault....

I mean holy balls, what type of batshit crazy is that? Blame the victims much?

[kaijyuu]

It's actually the logical conclusion... assuming one believes laws (and associated punishments) are immutable. The police officer's "hands were forced."

You'd need a nasty totalitarian view to think that, though.

[Truean]

It's actually the logical conclusion... assuming one believes laws (and associated punishments) are immutable. The police officer's "hands were forced."

You'd need a nasty totalitarian view to think that, though.

Yeah, but logic isn't always right and in fact it's frequently wrong.

Given: No person would ever willingly poison themselves.
Given: Cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs have several poisons.
Conclusion: No person would ever willingly do cigarettes, alcohol or drugs....

Logically correct, but completely untrue.

[Darvi]

Not quite. No smart person would ever do that.

And yes, I'm totally being an elititst by saying that.

[kaijyuu]

Yeah, but logic isn't always right and in fact it's frequently wrong.

Given: No person would ever willingly poison themselves.
Given: Cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs have several poisons.
Conclusion: No person would ever willingly do cigarettes, alcohol or drugs....

Logically correct, but completely untrue.

That's not a problem with logic itself, but the face your first given is anything but

I'm sipping on a Mountain Dew right now. Not exactly healthy, and caffeine was intended as a poison by the plants who made it.

[Scelly9]

Not quite. No smart person would ever do that.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Alcohol is at least partly responsible for human civilization, so don't disregard it so quickly.