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[kaijyuu]

Yeah well they can go to hell.


I know the justifications for it. Groups of people = people, essentially. But you don't hear that sort of justification for anything else.

[Descan]

Except for Soylent Green.

What? You think they separate the people? Nah, it's one giant slurry!

[kaijyuu]

I realize that's a joke argument, but... the individuals that made up the soylent green have rights, but "Soylent Green" itself doesn't. They're different entities.

[Reelya]

Corporations are people when it comes to benefits, but not people on the days they may be liable for something (e.g. if they cause a death they don't get charged with manslaughter / murder, and lawyers last year argued to the Supreme Court that corporations weren't people when it came to whether or not a corporation is legally responsible for genocide it's funded or committed in it's name by employees).

[Euld]

Just posting this here before I leave for school.

[RedKing]

Just posting this here before I leave for school.

Meh...we're just running out of other parts of the world to do that to, so it's no surprise that parts of the US with no political clout would eventually find themselves "imperialized". Areas like West Virginia have been raped repeatedly by the mining industry. Whole mountains blown up, waterways polluted, no attention paid to long-term infrastructure so the people stay uneducated and in poor health, etc.

[GreatJustice]

Corporations are people when it comes to benefits, but not people on the days they may be liable for something (e.g. if they cause a death they don't get charged with manslaughter / murder, and lawyers last year argued to the Supreme Court that corporations weren't people when it came to whether or not a corporation is legally responsible for genocide it's funded or committed in it's name by employees).

Actually, if you look at it from that angle, then corporations have always been considered people. When laws are broken, etc then the corporation itself is generally accused, not the people owning it.

Just posting this here before I leave for school.

First of all, that guy is reminding me heavily of a certain character from a Eugen Richter book.
Second, he seems to have a way of saying, offhandedly, variations of "Oh, by the way, the government just kinda gave them the land by stealing it, carrying on" without really addressing it, like the government is a force of nature or something. Have to say his solutions and identified problems are distinctly unradical.

[EveryZig]

Actually, if you look at it from that angle, then corporations have always been considered people. When laws are broken, etc then the corporation itself is generally accused, not the people owning it.

Yet you never see one in jail.

[scriver]

What would a company possibly even use "free speech" for?

[RedKing]

What would a company possibly even use "free speech" for?

To remind you that only Juicy Fruit gum brings you that one-of-a-kind flavor! (i.e. marketing, i.e. "creative lying")

[kaijyuu]

Also: lobbying.

Also also: campaign donations.

[Truean]

Actually, if you look at it from that angle, then corporations have always been considered people. When laws are broken, etc then the corporation itself is generally accused, not the people owning it.

Yet you never see one in jail.

.... Legally, corporations are people when they want to be (when it helps them) and not people when they don't want to be (when it doesn't help them). They quite literally switch back and forth depending on what the issue you're talking about is.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48315170 Yes.

[GreatJustice]

Actually, if you look at it from that angle, then corporations have always been considered people. When laws are broken, etc then the corporation itself is generally accused, not the people owning it.

Yet you never see one in jail.

Would have to be a pretty big jail to fit a corporation inside.

What would a company possibly even use "free speech" for?

To promote a particular message? Again, especially these days (with blogs and so on), the difference between a government designated "media corporation" and a regular one is very small.

You also, again, ignore that the decision also covers

-Labour unions
-Non profit organizations
-Small businesses that happen to be registered as corporations
-etc etc etc

[kaijyuu]

I don't see why they wouldn't be put under the same restrictions.

Taking the postulate "organizations aren't people, thus don't have rights associated with people" to its logical conclusion, does not mean they can't do anything at all, or be blamed for things. It just means the laws relating to them can be extremely arbitrary. So basically, what we have now, only Congress/etc could make whatever the hell law they wanted instead of stumbling around with this half personhood silliness. Laws would be argued as to their practicality* rather than constitutionality.



*Well obviously they wouldn't be practical, because practicality is the last thing on a representative's mind, long behind appeasing their constituents. But that's beside the point.

[RedKing]

Wait, wait, wait....we have a conversation going on here between EveryZig and GreatJustice. 

WTF, is this Socratic dialogue as brought to you by Zero Wing?