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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2115 on: June 29, 2012, 08:04:30 pm »

That particular line is rather stupid since it's not saying anything, really. Civil or criminal penalties would come from hate crimes/etc, not simply "opposing homosexuality." No one but the thought police is saying they have to like it.

That particular line is rather brilliant actually. Simply, it feeds the religious right's persecution complex and the anti gay propaganda that creates phrases like "homosexual agenda." See the "real" victims are people who are "persecuted" for their beliefs... like that homosexuals should be jailed or killed as abominations.... Good wholesome beliefs like that.... [sigh].

It's a very well written piece of propaganda. It accomplishes its evil purpose rather well.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2117 on: June 29, 2012, 09:48:02 pm »

Moreover, the line doesn't make much of specificity.

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Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2118 on: June 29, 2012, 10:48:31 pm »

Moreover, the line doesn't make much of specificity.

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Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.

Don't have to be related. Mein gott, a secret agenda!

Person 1: "That man murdered my family, burned down our village, raped our sheep, and danced on the flaming corpses before consuming their livers!"
Person 2: "That man hates gays."
Person 1: "Oh, carry on then, sorry to have bothered you."

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Wait a minute....

The Taliban is opposed to homosexuality based on religious and traditional reasons.

THIS JUST IN: Republican leaders support the rights of the Taliban to impose lawlessness and do as they please unchecked!!!

*sigh* If only we had a liberal version of Fox news, this story could exist. And that would be hilarious.

Ye gods, this is top-notch satire material here... Wait... this isn't satire?? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Read through it if you want a taste of Republican's ideal REAL 'MURICA. http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2119 on: June 29, 2012, 11:39:32 pm »

Ye gods, this is top-notch satire material here... Wait... this isn't satire?? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Obviously their real agenda is to out-compete the Onion.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2120 on: June 29, 2012, 11:59:13 pm »

Wow, reading through this, even my relatively high level of cynicism is surprised over and over again at how terrible some of these ideas are.
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Israel – We believe that the United States and Israel share a special long-standing relationship based on
shared values, a mutual commitment to a republican form of government, and a strategic alliance that benefits
both nations. Our foreign policy with Israel should reflect the special nature of this relationship through
continued military and economic assistance and recognition that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and should
remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.  We believe that the US Embassy should be located
in Jerusalem.  In our diplomatic dealings with Israel, we encourage the continuation of peace talks between
Israel and the Palestinians, but oppose pressuring Israel to make concessions it believes would jeopardize its
security, including the trading of land for the recognition of its right to exist.  We call on the U.S. to cease strong
arming Israel through prior agreements with the understanding of delivering equipment to them to defend
themselves in exchange for future diplomatic concessions, such as giving up land to the Palestinians on the
West Bank.  We support the continuation of non-recognition of terrorist nations and organizations.  Our policy
is based on God’s biblical promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel and we
further invite other nations and organizations to enjoy the benefits of that promise.
Holy hell. I don't think I've ever seen actual party officials so blatant about it. Their foreign policy is quite literally based on end-of-the-world prophesy.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2121 on: June 30, 2012, 12:07:39 am »

The GOP has supported Israel based off of Apocalypse Theology since the 70's, when the Religious Right took over the right-wing. It isn't new and they aren't shy about it. Some of them have even advocated that while permanant environmental damage is real, it isn't a problem because either "God will fix it because He promised Earth to us" or "God is going to destroy Earth soon anyway, we can do whatever with it".
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2122 on: June 30, 2012, 06:10:23 am »

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Except for noncitizens, we further oppose any national ID program, including the Real ID Act and the use of Radio Frequency
Identification Chips (RFID) on humans.

Wait wait wait wait. What the hell is this?
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2123 on: June 30, 2012, 06:14:20 am »

Ahahaha, reading their pdf of the original, there is a section on pronz right under teh gayz.
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We encourage the enforcement of laws regarding all forms of pornography, because
pornography is detrimental to the fabric of society.
"And now, we give a nod to the religious right, while simultaneously acknowledging that if we actually passed laws about it, we would be immediately kicked out by 95% of voters."
I had to look up this passage in the manifesto, and... yes, it really is that vague.  That's all they say about it - that they'll "encourage the enforcement of laws".  So it could be anything from:
-All porn is banned, death sentences for anyone caught viewing it
-All porn is now legally protected speech and everyone is legally required to watch some every night

Quite apart from all the policies, this is really awfully written.  Good find.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2124 on: June 30, 2012, 07:04:38 am »

Quite apart from all the policies, this is really awfully written.  Good find.
It's almost as if they don't want the burden of taking a stance on pornography itself.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2125 on: June 30, 2012, 07:52:41 am »

You're all aware that if those guys take over the country you'll see concentration camp, right?
This is no laughing matter, you're very possibly reading the next "mein kampf".
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2126 on: June 30, 2012, 08:17:18 am »

Wait wait wait wait. What the hell is this?
Conservatives believe Obama is going to force chips into all their brains, and also that that sort of bullshit is only for bad guys like those who aren't citizens of the United States.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2127 on: June 30, 2012, 09:56:13 am »

Is anyone else seeing constant anti-Obama ads on their Youtube videos? I didn't think they liked political ads. Anyway, it's the only ad I saw yesterday, about 30 times. It was by a group 'not directly representing any candidate', which means it was probably paid for by Mitt Romney's SuperPAC.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2128 on: June 30, 2012, 10:12:20 am »

Is anyone else seeing constant anti-Obama ads on their Youtube videos? I didn't think they liked political ads. Anyway, it's the only ad I saw yesterday, about 30 times. It was by a group 'not directly representing any candidate', which means it was probably paid for by Mitt Romney's SuperPAC.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2129 on: June 30, 2012, 11:40:46 am »

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Except for noncitizens, we further oppose any national ID program, including the Real ID Act and the use of Radio Frequency
Identification Chips (RFID) on humans.

Wait wait wait wait. What the hell is this?
Some people in the US believe that the government is planning to put tracking microchips in everyone so they can spy on us. The GOP is here saying that they'd oppose that unless we're talking about immigrants. The Real ID Act seems like something that the Republicans would support, but apparently not these ones.
You're all aware that if those guys take over the country you'll see concentration camp, right?
This is no laughing matter, you're very possibly reading the next "mein kampf".
Hyperbole, much? The Republicans have had dominance over the country before, and for all of their bad polices I get the feeling they'd have some dissent if they started building concentration camps for whatever reason.
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