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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1920 on: June 20, 2012, 01:32:31 pm »

I just wouldn't pay. What are they going to do, send me to debtor's prison?
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« Reply #1921 on: June 20, 2012, 01:35:17 pm »

Would much prefer the cost be spread out over the entire society but apparently people think that would be stealing or communism, while forcibly deducting a much larger quantity of money from one's bank account at an unexpected point in time and spending it on the welfare of somebody who needs it is... um... capitalistic justice! Yeah that's it.

I just wouldn't pay. What are they going to do, send me to debtor's prison?
Um, yes.

Shitty source but it's the best I could do on such short notice.
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« Reply #1922 on: June 20, 2012, 01:37:50 pm »

I somehow doubt the taxes are stealing crowd would find this any more acceptable.

Corporations, of course, are only opposed to taxes that harm them, but thats not exactly anti-tax so much as pro-themselves.
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« Reply #1923 on: June 20, 2012, 01:46:46 pm »

I just wouldn't pay. What are they going to do, send me to debtor's prison?
Um, yes.

Shitty source but it's the best I could do on such short notice.
Firstly, that didn't take place in my state.

Secondly, that happened for private commercial debts, not my parents demanding that I give them money.

Thirdly, two nights in holding does not equal debtor's prison. Sensationalist article is sensationalist.
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« Reply #1924 on: June 20, 2012, 01:49:41 pm »

Secondly, that happened for private commercial debts, not my parents demanding that I give them money.

Actually, this is a private commercial debt. This isn't your parents demanding you give them money - your parents having nothing to do with it. This is a judgement saying that their private commercial debt is, in fact, your private commercial debt. That's why it is bad.
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« Reply #1925 on: June 20, 2012, 01:51:28 pm »

And contempt of court can result in indefinite imprisonment if they put it before a properly bribed judge.
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« Reply #1926 on: June 20, 2012, 02:08:30 pm »

I keep saying, find out what you need to do to become a lawyer in Ontario, and DO IT. >:I Or Quebec, even.
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« Reply #1927 on: June 21, 2012, 07:57:03 am »

So the HRC did a neat study with LGBT youth (PDF, you have been warned) that has some interesting info. But man did their graphic designer have fun with it. It's almost all wasted space.
e: Turkey is trying to get into the EU. At this rate, I don't think it'll get in for a long time.

Combining those i give you a report about LGBT people in turkey that is way more readable. And here you have one quote out of it:

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“I believe homosexuality is a biological disorder, an illness and should be treated”
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LGBT rights activists in Eskişehir recount statement by a police officer following the reporting of an alleged rape of a gay man –
one of a number against gay men and transgender women in the city
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« Reply #1928 on: June 21, 2012, 11:07:21 am »

Wait... so they're saying gay men in the military are "open to rape" by... other men in their military?  They don't see the utter insanity of saying it's wrong for men to sleep with men, but somehow it's ok for men to rape other men?

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« Reply #1929 on: June 21, 2012, 11:11:53 am »

I recall hearing something before about a cultural attitude in Turkey that there are only certain situations in which something "counts" as gay or not.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1930 on: June 21, 2012, 12:26:09 pm »

Apparently it's not gay if you're the top.  ???
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« Reply #1931 on: June 21, 2012, 01:59:47 pm »


State Prosecutors in Illinois refusing to defend the State's anti gay laws.


Not 10 years ago in 2003, sodomy was a felony in some states.... That is, when I was in high school and college, my having sex, at all, was a crime punishable by prison.

Allow me to explain: those prosecutors can be fired for this, for cause. Moreover, this is the worst economy to be looking for a legal based job ever.... One of the main reasons I dismiss most people who claim to be for gay rights as lip service is that their actions are entirely and absolutely at odds with their words. These attorneys are risking their entire careers by refusing to defend this mockery, this mob rule, masquerading as law and demanding silence rather than justice. If appointed or elected, the public backlash on them could be severe.

How can people claim to want immortality when they have only a shifting string of adjectives fading in and out from in front of their names and meaning nothing? There's nothing to preserve for a second, much less for all time.... Simply most people won't even inconvenience themselves in any minor way for this or any other reason, much less risk their careers.....

Of course, it does send quite a message when this ... simply and nothing but this ... risks your entire career. Doesn't it?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 02:13:54 pm by Truean »
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1932 on: June 21, 2012, 02:24:37 pm »

I think hell froze over and some souls must've escaped in a leak or something.
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« Reply #1933 on: June 21, 2012, 02:25:19 pm »

I'm going to have to play Devil's advocate on this...the legal system doesn't require an attorney to believe in what they're arguing. You're a defense attorney, you know this better than most. If you're assigned a case as a public defender, you can't just walk in and say, "You know what? My client is totally guilty and an asshole and I'm not going to defend him."

Like it or not, lawyers are paid to argue the interests of their clients, even if they utterly disagree with those interests. In this case, the interests of the state of Illinois is to defend its laws until such time as they have been invalidated by a court of law.

By the same token, if a US District Attorney refused to prosecute a case of anti-LGBT discrimination because they didn't "believe" such people should have those protections....it's the same principle.

I applaud that the personal morality of these two, but I also recognize that this sets bad precedent. I think they'd be better served taking the case and just making a very lacksadaisical defense of the measure.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1934 on: June 21, 2012, 02:27:08 pm »

I applaud that the persona morality of these two, but I also recognize that this sets bad precedent. I think they'd be better served taking the case and just making a very lacksadaisical defense of the measure.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe willfully lackadaisical defense is still ground for getting disbarred.
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