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Truean

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1410 on: May 14, 2012, 09:51:13 pm »

Except he had no reason to think that he'd win. They practically told him beforehand that he was going to lose.

Finally! Proof! It isn't just me they ignore on this. It's everyone. Who wants to bet they blame their defense lawyer for "screwing up the case?" :P
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1411 on: May 15, 2012, 12:55:48 am »

We were already discussing Colorado's civil unions bill?  Honestly I wasn't all that concerned with the other gay marriage and civil union things going on around the country, but now I'm getting worried.  I'm not even fully out of the closet yet and people are going ballistic D:

edit: or let me put this a different way.  I wasn't worried when it was just one state denying gay's right to marry, now I'm worried because there are a lot more states hopping onto the bandwagon.  I'm also sad that my home state technically doesn't have gay marriage until June, and there's petitions going around to stop it :(
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1412 on: May 15, 2012, 03:28:12 pm »

I'm not sure if this is progressive, but hey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dggHZwEQMg&feature=g-u-u

So what I'm getting out of it is that George Lucas wants to build a studio, but keeps getting muscled out of where he wants to build it by rich people wanting to preserve the property value. George Lucas then starts sponsoring a movement to build low-income housing nearby to lower the property value.

I think that's pretty awesome.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1413 on: May 15, 2012, 03:54:28 pm »

So George Lucas is an epic-level troll?

After the prequel movies, I think this comes as a surprise to no one.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1415 on: May 15, 2012, 05:09:09 pm »

The way I hear it Lucas has done pretty nasty stuff in the past with real estate. Tbh this sounds like one more dick move from him
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« Reply #1416 on: May 15, 2012, 05:09:29 pm »

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Republican Delegate Robert Marshall (who is running for U.S. Senate) also accused him of pushing an "aggressive activist homosexual agenda." According to The Washington Post's Laura Vozzella, Marshall claims that Thorne-Begland "holds himself out as being married,” which makes his “life a contradiction to the requirement of submission to the constitution.”
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1417 on: May 15, 2012, 05:49:03 pm »

Last I checked, the US Constitution doesn't have a requirement that you BE married to ACT married...
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« Reply #1418 on: May 15, 2012, 06:29:35 pm »

Because of all the franticness earlier this year...

The 2013 NDAA is currently being debated. Remember this is an annual appropriations bill with the interesting bits (detention policy and cyber warfare to name two) tacked on as afterthoughts.

Because of the massive publicity over the detention policy sections last year this year there are a number of new proposals. One in particular (the Smith-Amash amendment) would explicitly ban military detention on US soil. The Republicans are already attacking this from two sides; one group (in the previous link) argue it's not needed because the 2012 NDAA didn't authorise such detentions (true but irrelevant; previous and current law is entirely vague on the matter and the US has claimed such powers in the past), the other is claiming that banning such detention on US soil would encourage terrorists to come to the US. Which is laughable.

If people are interested in getting something good out of that debate a few months back, start lobbying now. This debate and these proposals are happening because of the attention paid to the 2012 NDAA, but right now the only people paying attention to things are Republicans invested in the process and those charged with writing the bills.
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« Reply #1419 on: May 15, 2012, 06:33:22 pm »

Wait, if military detention were prohibited on U.S. soil, what would happen to Fort Leavenworth?
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« Reply #1420 on: May 15, 2012, 06:54:22 pm »

Wait, if military detention were prohibited on U.S. soil, what would happen to Fort Leavenworth?
Sorry, worded that badly.

The detention in question here is holding people indefinitely without charge. The military could still arrest and prosecute people under the military code of justice and still hold traditional prisoners of war or "enemy combatants" captured overseas. It just removes the hypothetical case where an individual (following the AUMF, a member of Al Qaeda or someone strongly associated with that group) captured in the US could be transferred to military detention to be held indefinitely (NB, they would be allowed habeas access but it would likely be a military commission or similar, although constitutional challenges to holding them would be likely and probably work).
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« Reply #1421 on: May 15, 2012, 07:15:02 pm »

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Republican Delegate Robert Marshall (who is running for U.S. Senate) also accused him of pushing an "aggressive activist homosexual agenda." According to The Washington Post's Laura Vozzella, Marshall claims that Thorne-Begland "holds himself out as being married,” which makes his “life a contradiction to the requirement of submission to the constitution.”
The fuck is wrong with these people.

Lovely to know you can "work hard and get ahead...." And I mean they're pretty straightforwardly telling him it's cause he's gay that he can't do the job....

It's all just more distraction to keep your focus off the fact that student loans interest rates are going to literally double from 3.4% to 6.8% in 15 days....

Edit: Speaking of things we're distracted from, turns out Iceland overthrew its government, is drafting a new constitution and is trying to throw the bankers that killed the country in jail. The article says this is not being shown in Western News. I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this or if it's just an onion style article?
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1422 on: May 15, 2012, 08:46:35 pm »

The only thing I can find on an Icelandic Revolution is some New World Order related crazy.
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« Reply #1423 on: May 15, 2012, 08:47:14 pm »

How do they know that being straight won't bias them against same-sex marriage cases?

Herpderpderp.

It's all just more distraction to keep your focus off the fact that student loans interest rates are going to literally double from 3.4% to 6.8% in 15 days....
They're eating us!

Edit: Speaking of things we're distracted from, turns out Iceland overthrew its government, is drafting a new constitution and is trying to throw the bankers that killed the country in jail. The article says this is not being shown in Western News. I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this or if it's just an onion style article?
I found this. But it looks like it's from almost a year ago. Also, it's less about throwing out bankers than refusing to pay ridiculous fees to foreign entities because of the misdeeds that a few private companies did. More on the constitution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Iceland
http://mashable.com/2011/07/29/iceland-crowdsourced-constitution/
http://singularityhub.com/2011/08/03/25-ordinary-citizens-write-icelands-new-constitution-with-help-from-social-media/
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/iceland-from-crisis-to-constitution.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/09/iceland-crowdsourcing-constitution-facebook
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/iceland-crowdsources-its-next-constitution/2011/06/10/AGiBplOH_blog.html
http://www.dailypaul.com/215344/why-iceland-should-be-in-the-news-but-is-not (WARNING: Daily Paul)

Sounds like it happened to me. That's fucking awesome.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1424 on: May 16, 2012, 12:12:00 am »

The article says this is not being shown in Western News.

That's pretty fucking scary.
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