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[Johuotar]

It makes them create more jobs, or so they say.

[Nadaka]

It makes them create more jobs, or so they say.

Its true. With more money that can afford more hookers and blow, not only on the weekend but on weekdays as well.

[EveryZig]

Every once in a while I hear republicans say something about 48% of Americans not paying taxes. Does anyone know what in the world they are talking about?

Perhaps this? http://money.howstuffworks.com/only-53-percent-pay-income-tax.htm

Thank you, now I have some specific things to bring up if I am discussing it.

Of course, on the gripping hand it doesn't matter much, because it is silly to talk about how 'unfair' increased taxes on the rich are when they are still constantly getting richer.

[Truean]

Look, if we keep coddling these poor people, they won't have any incentive to work hard and it'll wreck our economy.  It's unethical.  Instead we need to coddle the rich, because,

They work hard, obviously.

They actually want jobs? Figure out the variables that actually, really lead to people being hired. Figure out the impediments to starting or staffing a firm and place resources behind making them more available and less burdensome.

No, no, we'll just throw money at the problem, to the rich people only, and pray it works....

[GlyphGryph]

Come on Truean, this is AMERICA. You just gotta have FAITH and CAPITALISM will see us through!

[Truean]

Come on Truean, this is AMERICA. You just gotta have FAITH and CAPITALISM will see us through!

Capitalism: The government giving money to large businesses and rich people?

[Scelly9]

Come on Truean, this is AMERICA. You just gotta have FAITH and CAPITALISM will see us through!

Capitalism: The government giving money to large businesses and rich people?

Bingo.

[GlyphGryph]

Of COURSE! What else could CAPITALISM possible mean here in the great land of AMERICA!

[EveryZig]

Of course! Enriching rich is and deregulation are the sacred rituals laid out in the Economicon for summoning the great Invisible Hand to grant your wishes. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Market Forces R'egan wgah'nagl fhtagn! 

[GlyphGryph]

Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.
CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Ethics of Greed"

(And by us, of course, he means the people in charge. Everybody else can go and get themselves nerve-stapled)

[Darvi]

Of COURSE! What else could CAPITALISM possible mean here in the great land of AMERICA!

Well, you can't write AMERICA without C, A ,P... damn.

[GlyphGryph]

PROTESTANT AMERICA!

That's C, A, P, I, T, A... still no L. Crap. Capita is good enough, right?

[Bauglir]

We could throw in a "male" for good measure?

[Truean]

This is a classic confusion of motivations. It's also classic failure to adapt.

"Corporations and the rich will employ us." Perhaps, but that's conditional. It was once the case. Is it still?

This does not understand the fundamentals of logic and misses the mark by a wide margin. It mistakes corporate motive, or it draws a false conclusion from it.

Corporate motive is to make the most money possible from all options. If hiring Americans will make corporations the most money possible from all options, then they will hire Americans. This implies correctly that if other options will make corporations more money, then the corporations will foresake hiring Americans to pursue those options. Profit maximization....

The error feeds into the classic ego complex. People believe they are worth something. The corporation only believes they are worth something if they not only make it money, but make it more money than all other choices. This is no longer so.... We are no longer the cheapest possible option, especially with overseas de facto slavery.

IT used to be, USED TO BE, that by helping the health of the corporation you were helping the health of those employed by it. Now this is no longer so. Once the corporation has the ability to pursue cheaper but initially costlier to set up alternative options, it will. Moving to China costs money and requires a transportation network. But once the company can afford those initial costs, it will to reap the return on that investment.

The barrier to overseas slave labor is the cost of moving....

Luckily, we're giving companies money so they can do it....

If you give the rich and their companies money, they will profit maximize, not "hire." They will only "hire" if that is greater than all other alternatives, including de facto slavery in the 3rd world countries.

This old theory is dead for large corporations and operates on what politicians fail to recognize is what they used to know. Past tense. It may still work for smaller enterprises, but it seems no one cares about them and the larger ones are killing them.

Here is an actual entrepreneur taking the company PRIVATE and out of the public stock market.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clark-fortune-estimated-hundreds-millions-071612433.html
He didn't meet Wall St.'s earning projections which are unreasonable as a rule. He told the stockholders to get out. He got them out. It worked.
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We are a police state.

When Fikre was released on Sept. 14, he had lost nearly 30 pounds. He has applied for asylum in Sweden.

Yeah, he wasn't tortured. He was just on a diet.... Really?

[Capntastic]

Capitalism believes that competition drives innovation, but we should shut down all government services because they are an unfair intrusion into the market,