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[Frumple]

Naaah. We've got an entire industry already bypassing that limitation.

[Truean]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/resolution_amend_constitution_banning_corporate_personhood_vermont_20110124/?ln

Dunno if it'll go anywhere, but it really should. The real problem with "corporate personhood," is that they aren't really people and can't have the limitations of people. They're immortal, you can't imprison them for their crimes, etc.

I have an interesting argument I'm certain would never fly:

If slavery is unconstitutional and slavery is the ownership of people, which apparently includes corporations, then no one can own a corporation, because doing so would be owning a person.... Slavery. The number of owners of a person is irrelevant as is the division of ownership. The existence of ownership of a person is sufficient to establish slavery.... He'll it's ownership of a person expressly for profit....

That's right Scalia, you insufferable hack, look at the shit you just stepped in.... You short sighted moron.... It's kinda on you rather than me if the result is entirely impractical and stupid, huh?

Logically, corporate ownership is slavery for profit if corporations are people.

[FearfulJesuit]

Somebody needs to make a "Is Scalia Dead Yet?" site in the vein of "Is Thatcher Dead Yet?" His leaving the Court, one way or another, will be a great victory for justice.

[Glowcat]

That's right Scalia, you insufferable hack, look at the shit you just stepped in.... You short sighted moron.... It's kinda on you rather than me if the result is entirely impractical and stupid, huh?

I don't believe he can hear you. He's too busy pissing on the words 'Conflict of Interest.'

[Pnx]

I have an interesting argument I'm certain would never fly:

If slavery is unconstitutional and slavery is the ownership of people, which apparently includes corporations, then no one can own a corporation, because doing so would be owning a person.... Slavery. The number of owners of a person is irrelevant as is the division of ownership. The existence of ownership of a person is sufficient to establish slavery.... He'll it's ownership of a person expressly for profit....

That's right Scalia, you insufferable hack, look at the shit you just stepped in.... You short sighted moron.... It's kinda on you rather than me if the result is entirely impractical and stupid, huh?

Logically, corporate ownership is slavery for profit if corporations are people.

They'd probably just argue that slavery is the ownership of human beings rather than people, and that human beings and people are different things.

[Truean]

I have an interesting argument I'm certain would never fly:

If slavery is unconstitutional and slavery is the ownership of people, which apparently includes corporations, then no one can own a corporation, because doing so would be owning a person.... Slavery. The number of owners of a person is irrelevant as is the division of ownership. The existence of ownership of a person is sufficient to establish slavery.... He'll it's ownership of a person expressly for profit....

That's right Scalia, you insufferable hack, look at the shit you just stepped in.... You short sighted moron.... It's kinda on you rather than me if the result is entirely impractical and stupid, huh?

Logically, corporate ownership is slavery for profit if corporations are people.

They'd probably just argue that slavery is the ownership of human beings rather than people, and that human beings and people are different things.

Exactly. It's a crazy distinction. That's why I said it'd certainly never fly. The argument you said would win, probably with 99.9% certainty. Yet, it doesn't make sense.

Corporations are people when they want to be and not people when they don't want to be is roughly the effect of it.

[Euld]

Got another email from the Christian ministry I signed up for years ago.  This email so completely misses the point o_O  It's like they absolutely must disagree with the GLBT community at all costs, even if they're essentially fighting on the same side.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dear Friend,

A couple of weeks ago, we shared with you about a Focus on the Family initiative called the Day of Dialogue®. This annual event helps high school and college students respond in a loving and Christ-centered way to when hot-button topics like homosexuality, bullying and gender identity are discussed on campus. Join with us to support this initiative.

This event is especially important considering that the Day of Silence, sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, is a homosexual-themed event taking place in many public schools this April. During the Day of Silence, students are encouraged to remain speechless for an entire day to show their support for homosexual and transgender individuals who've been "silenced" by bullying. Some even wear tape over their mouths. Teachers are encouraged to display homosexual-themed materials in their classrooms.

But as Christians, we already know that silence is not the answer. When honest conversations are allowed to happen, truth tends to rise to the surface.

That's why the Day of Dialogue—coming up on April 19—encourages student-initiated conversations centered on the fact that God cares about every detail of their lives, including their sexuality and their relationships, as well as their souls. To empower students to exercise their free-speech rights, DayofDialogue.com provides free "Get the Conversation Started" tools—including downloadable cards to distribute, posters and t-shirt designs, and tips for having a successful event.

But the work of engaging the culture, and the Day of Dialogue in particular, can't happen without the generous support of friends like you. Will you join with us today to help equip students across the country to start meaningful conversations with their peers about the Gospel and their relationships?

It's so important to inspire the next generation with confidence that the Gospel of Christ speaks into even the most sensitive cultural issues. Please join with us in equipping students—our children and grandchildren—to be salt and light in their mission field, their schools. Thank you in advance for supporting the Day of Dialogue and other vital efforts to engage the culture for Christ.

For faith and family,
Signed: Tom Minnery
Tom Minnery
Senior Vice President, Government & Public Policy

I don't even.... AUGH.  Gays are driven into silence because honest dialogue doesn't occur.  And now they're blaming gays for being driven into silence... almost like they believe gays make up stories about being bullied, then go around NOT talking about being gay, and somehow make things worse?

[Epithemius]

Got another email from the Christian ministry I signed up for years ago.  This email so completely misses the point o_O  It's like they absolutely must disagree with the GLBT community at all costs, even if they're essentially fighting on the same side.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dear Friend,

A couple of weeks ago, we shared with you about a Focus on the Family initiative called the Day of Dialogue®. This annual event helps high school and college students respond in a loving and Christ-centered way to when hot-button topics like homosexuality, bullying and gender identity are discussed on campus. Join with us to support this initiative.

This event is especially important considering that the Day of Silence, sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, is a homosexual-themed event taking place in many public schools this April. During the Day of Silence, students are encouraged to remain speechless for an entire day to show their support for homosexual and transgender individuals who've been "silenced" by bullying. Some even wear tape over their mouths. Teachers are encouraged to display homosexual-themed materials in their classrooms.

But as Christians, we already know that silence is not the answer. When honest conversations are allowed to happen, truth tends to rise to the surface.

That's why the Day of Dialogue—coming up on April 19—encourages student-initiated conversations centered on the fact that God cares about every detail of their lives, including their sexuality and their relationships, as well as their souls. To empower students to exercise their free-speech rights, DayofDialogue.com provides free "Get the Conversation Started" tools—including downloadable cards to distribute, posters and t-shirt designs, and tips for having a successful event.

But the work of engaging the culture, and the Day of Dialogue in particular, can't happen without the generous support of friends like you. Will you join with us today to help equip students across the country to start meaningful conversations with their peers about the Gospel and their relationships?

It's so important to inspire the next generation with confidence that the Gospel of Christ speaks into even the most sensitive cultural issues. Please join with us in equipping students—our children and grandchildren—to be salt and light in their mission field, their schools. Thank you in advance for supporting the Day of Dialogue and other vital efforts to engage the culture for Christ.

For faith and family,
Signed: Tom Minnery
Tom Minnery
Senior Vice President, Government & Public Policy

I don't even.... AUGH.  Gays are driven into silence because honest dialogue doesn't occur.  And now they're blaming gays for being driven into silence... almost like they believe gays make up stories about being bullied, then go around NOT talking about being gay, and somehow make things worse?

I'm having the same issue, except it's from a bible college that I've been getting calls and emails from. I keep getting scripture sent to me that's similar to that in nature. Frankly, this hatred of a group of people due to sexual orientation is sickening. I don't care what your orientation is, as long as you're a good person, no problem here.

[penguinofhonor]

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[GlyphGryph]

"Yeah, because having someone on the internet who's never met me hate me without even knowing me isn't supposed to bother me."

Admittedly, you're on the internet. This is probably true whoever you are. The difference is mostly in quantity rather than kind.

[kaijyuu]

There's an actual person making those comments, though. It's really no different than a random passerby on the street insulting you for no reason. In both cases, you have no idea who the person is and will probably never meet them again... you just can't walk over and punch them in the face on the internet.


I'm not sure advocating apathy is a proper response to people being jerks, no matter the communication medium. "Grow a thick skin" and "serious business" puts the blame on the target of the insult, not the person making it, as if throwing insults is fine and dandy but responding to them is not. Of course, a hypersensitive inappropriate response can make the target guilty of being a jackass as well ("they started it" is a pathetic mindset), but it won't absolve the instigator.

[Leafsnail]

Oh right.  Speaking of which:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/anti-gay-adverts-boris-johnson

Essentially some extremely homophobic adverts well pulled from appearing on London buses at the last minute.  The reason cited were that they were offensive, which is true, although I don't think that's the core issue.  The core issue is that the study they're citing as their scientific evidence is bullshit, meaning that they're simply falsely advertising.  I guess this will turn into a debate about censorship and whether you're allowed to straightup lie to people through adverts, but hey.

[justinlee999]

Oh right.  Speaking of which:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/anti-gay-adverts-boris-johnson

Essentially some extremely homophobic adverts well pulled from appearing on London buses at the last minute.  The reason cited were that they were offensive, which is true, although I don't think that's the core issue.  The core issue is that the study they're citing as their scientific evidence is bullshit, meaning that they're simply falsely advertising.  I guess this will turn into a debate about censorship and whether you're allowed to straightup lie to people through adverts, but hey.

It has always been illegal in almost any sensible country to quote false sources and use them as advertisements, I do think, no one really complained about this.

[GlyphGryph]

It's really no different than a random passerby on the street insulting you for no reason.

I actually hate when this happens. Fucking assholes. But I'm not advocating apathy here, and I don't think anyone else is either. But what can you do? You're going to rage against the wind, or wrap yourself up a bit tighter to cut the bite?

Mind you I would pretty much advocate stabbing the wind if it were possible, but you're not allowed to do that to the people either. So we should definitely find ways to make this sort of thing less common, if possible, but we also need to focus on giving people (and not just gay people) the sort of support and acceptance they need to weather the brunt of verbal assaults from strangers. Because if there's one thing that makes something like this better, it's having a group of people agree about what a dick that guy is.

[justinlee999]

You could also creep them out by being unusually kind to your insulters, might work.