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Truean

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #855 on: April 03, 2012, 11:54:55 am »

http://shine.yahoo.com/beauty/miss-universe-canada-disqualifies-transsexual-contestant-she-born-192000420.html

Awww. I'm not really getting the rationale behind any of this.  Also don't read the comments. I made that mistake. I was kind of of the impression that you couldn't do this sort of thing in Canada? No? I mean I sorta thought GLBT people were more protected there than here. I remember watching a documentary about women's downhill bike racing that tried to exclude a transgender woman (MtF transsexual), and for whatever reason, they didn't disqualify her.

Whatever else you wanna say, you've sorta gotta (or should at least) give her credit for getting as far as she did. Being a national beauty pageant contestant is a hell of a thing, and not easy. I'm not saying being in a pageant is some sorta awe inspiring thing, because if the last few Miss America winners are any indication, they can say some pretty nutty things. I'm just saying, that's a heck of a long road to go from being a transgendered kid to a contestant in a beauty pageant.

I dunno, when if ever could someone just be considered a normal girl in that situation? That's kinda that goal....

http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Transsexual+allowed+compete+Miss+Universe+Canada/6400095/story.html

She was un-disqualified.  :)  Nice to see a happy ending to one of these stories for once.

[Hugs] Thank you for finding that. :) Really.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #856 on: April 03, 2012, 08:25:35 pm »

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/arizona-bill-could-criminalize-internet-trolling-184547052.html

It's clearly an election year, because Arizona is pretending to know what it's doing again while ignoring the real problems. Or do they do that all the time? Not sure.

Sad.
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« Reply #857 on: April 03, 2012, 08:27:46 pm »

Arizona is so politically divergent that if I had to pick a candidate for "first secession from the Union" it would be them, if not for the fact that Arizona is rather lacking in domestic resources.
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« Reply #858 on: April 03, 2012, 08:30:03 pm »

Maybe they all have heat stroke.



In serious, people have a right to be douchebags. No one has to like them for it, but so long as it doesn't constitute harassment, punishing people for "mean words" is ridiculous.
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« Reply #859 on: April 03, 2012, 08:32:48 pm »

Does this mean the trolls win?

Atleast against Arizona?
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« Reply #860 on: April 03, 2012, 08:33:50 pm »

Does this mean the trolls win?

Atleast against Arizona?

I think so actually.... :(
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #861 on: April 03, 2012, 08:34:08 pm »

All I know is that Anon will have a field day when this law gets to them.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #862 on: April 03, 2012, 08:50:01 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/gay-student-sues-ohio-school-district-over-t-201525784.html

Boy wears shirt saying "Jesus isn't a homophobe" to school and isn't allowed because of its "sexual nature". He/his mother are suing for violation of his right to free speech. They are asking for the right to wear the shirt and unspecified damages. There are also a few thousand horribly homophobic asshat comments.
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« Reply #863 on: April 03, 2012, 08:53:09 pm »

Because referencing heterosexuality is standard fare and referencing homosexuality is always perverted.

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« Reply #864 on: April 03, 2012, 09:01:53 pm »

Yay Ohio, we're not nice at all.... :(
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« Reply #865 on: April 03, 2012, 09:33:01 pm »

Since when do kids have free speech?


Sit down and shut up is the usual response to violations of free speech for students.
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« Reply #867 on: April 04, 2012, 08:12:43 am »

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/04/11013517-30-people-pepper-sprayed-at-santa-monica-college-course-fees-protest

"What are you kids so upset about? We're just starting a trial program with tuition at 4x the current rate. First it'll run alongside the current program, but then we all know if we can charge four times as much for the same shit we give you now we will. The state cut our funding. What's your problem with making tuition four times as expensive. We've been explaining this to you for four hours and you're not understanding us...."

What's to fucking understand? 4x tuition cost for an education in a system that gets you no job and tons of debt. Of course I guess you don't "have" to go to school.... Then you still won't have a job and people will yell at you to go to school and get a job.....

So basically we can tax college kids (which is what this amounts to) but of course not the rich.... Taxes on college kids are great and they'll pay it through loans so their taxes will be taxed with interest to investors. It'll take them at least 10 years to pay off if they get a job. It's entirely possible it might take them 20 or 30 years to pay off at an extended payment plan. YAY.......

Really? Really people? This is ok? What he hell? Let's say your landlord just raised your rent to four times what it was before. $800/month. Screw you, now it's $3,200/month.... You wouldn't be the least bit upset? O you could move somewhere else or just not live there? Yeah, except you've been there for years and it's your home and you're sorta invested in the area etc....  Just wow. I know it's not a perfect analogy, but it's about the best you're gonna get.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #868 on: April 04, 2012, 09:40:11 am »

Since when do kids have free speech?


Sit down and shut up is the usual response to violations of free speech for students.

Usual and wrong.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #869 on: April 04, 2012, 11:12:34 am »

Well yeah, kids should probably come up with a reason why free speech should not be violated rather than telling whoever does it to shut up.
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