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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7517 on: August 18, 2013, 05:36:47 pm »

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My guess for why more extremist people don't flee the country is simply that most are not that extreme.

And, to dampen the flaming liberalism of the article a smidge, what American would move to any of those other places just to practice anti-homosexuality? They just want Modern America - liberals + Bible Law.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7518 on: August 18, 2013, 05:41:23 pm »

And, to dampen the flaming liberalism of the article a smidge, what American would move to any of those other places just to practice anti-homosexuality? They just want Modern America - liberals + Bible Law.
Aren't there those ones that head off to Africa and whatnot to do just that? Blazes if I can remember any sources of it off the top of my head, but Americans jumping country to push (often violent) anti-homosexuality in other nations more sympathetic to such things is actually a thing, if my memory's not failing me. S'a bit of a problem, really, since they often bring resources (of varying sorts) to folks that are, y'know, killing people et al.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7519 on: August 18, 2013, 06:05:14 pm »

Around here, the violent anti-gay bigots hang out in places that gay people live.  They beat up random strangers, and hope that they get the gay ones. :<
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7520 on: August 19, 2013, 09:21:07 pm »

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/ontario-police-aware-hateful-letter-telling-family-euthanize-171036930.html

... Abhorrent. "Euthanize?" How lovely....

See, first (after the reform era) they had mental institutions called "asylums," and at least in theory they were called that as a place of refuge. That is, it was a place of refuge for the mentally ill, from you, everyone else.... They were supposed to be places where the insane could seek respite from the world, which nature in its cruelty did not give them the ability to deal with fairly. Sadly the reality was that these places ended up being terrible. Now, nobody wants to pay to establish, run and properly maintain these places, so logically, we have to have severely mentally disabled people out in the world. Again, won't pay for proper treatment, so by default they are left out in the world (hence why many homeless people have mental illnesses).

So, not wanting to properly pay for inpatient care, outpatient treatment, or any type of services for this poor child, the neighbor just thinks the kid should be dead or at least not within earshot.... NIMBY (Not in my back yard).

One of the problems with treating people as their medical condition is that it becomes so much easier to dehumanize them. It's so much easier to gloss over things like an individual's rights, or freedoms. No, they become "a disease" with ... terrible ... awful symptoms.... And not to worry, there is a cure for said disease, or at least a treatment--cruelty... We are cruel and seek a way to justify it....

I look at this line of thinking with such disdain....

That person is hurting, unjustly as a rule. Rather than contempt, compassion?

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7521 on: August 19, 2013, 09:36:47 pm »

While screaming children are horrible regardless of mental capacity, that is not an appropriate response.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7522 on: August 20, 2013, 02:32:48 am »

I also love how apparently  being able to go outside is a special treatment.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7523 on: August 20, 2013, 03:01:46 am »

...the kid screams and that's an excuse for euthanasia?
Don't all kids scream? She has children too, right? Excuse me, do her children scream too? Because if they do, then clearly they are unable to properly exist in society and must be purged.
Society after all is made only for those who do not scream, who obey the laws, and are genetically perfect under all points of view. //sarcasm mode off now.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7524 on: August 20, 2013, 06:06:28 am »

Can we fund a trip to space for the noisy kids?  :P
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7525 on: August 20, 2013, 06:20:18 am »

That's the problem with this country, nobody thinks anybody is entitled to anything. Somehow "entitled" became a bad word.... "Entitled," applied to common usage and common people was one of the most noble things we've ever done as a species.

The idea that you can't just do things to people, because they were entitled to certain rights which cannot be ignored and which they can invoke, was a good one.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7526 on: August 20, 2013, 07:57:04 am »

No no, see, nobody thinks anyone else is entitled to any rights or privileges. They, of course, are entitled to everything.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7527 on: August 20, 2013, 09:52:19 am »

Somehow "entitled" became a synonym for "spoiled". As in, "Ugh, they are so entitled!"
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7528 on: August 20, 2013, 11:56:10 am »

Somehow "entitled" became a synonym for "spoiled". As in, "Ugh, they are so entitled!"
I think it started off as people being too lazy to say "They feel like they're entitled to everything".
Then "They feel so entitled".
Then just "They're so entitled".
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7529 on: August 20, 2013, 11:59:28 am »

Somehow "entitled" became a synonym for "spoiled". As in, "Ugh, they are so entitled!"
I think it started off as people being too lazy to say "They feel like they're entitled to everything".
Then "They feel so entitled".
Then just "They're so entitled".
It's Newspeak.
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