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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1286972 times)

MonkeyHead

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5370 on: March 31, 2013, 05:23:46 am »

Why don't we just make unisex bathrooms again already? FFS, don't fix what's not broken.

Careful, that sort of talk will summon one of those right wing nutcase "femenazis". :P

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5371 on: March 31, 2013, 05:33:32 am »

Can we not do unisex toilets? I'm shy enough with just men in there.
Thinking about it, if a male born female transsexual entered the male toilets, I wouldn't feel that uncomfortable around him, at least not any more than any other guy. If a female born male entered, I would feel somewhat uneasy, as much as any other female. Wouldn't people feel more comfortable with their assumed gender, rather than genetic one? With that in mind, boys go in boys toilets, and girls in girls.

Am I getting my terms the right way around? Where as male born female would genetically have an XX chromosome, but a male personality? If I'm actually getting it backwards the above statement is incredibly offensive and I apologize.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5372 on: March 31, 2013, 05:36:07 am »

Meh, its the only really practical way for everyone to be treated equally (badly).

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5373 on: March 31, 2013, 05:41:54 am »

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5374 on: March 31, 2013, 06:11:59 am »

You're going to see yourself as a roughed-up jewish shark person with a strange line of neck hairs?
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« Reply #5375 on: March 31, 2013, 06:24:03 am »

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5376 on: March 31, 2013, 06:26:38 am »

I'm guessing it would make sense for people who have watched the episode?
Does the character attempt some sort of transgender surgery and end up as a deformed shark person and that is the 'joke'? I mean I have heard people say south park is pretty left wing but evidently not.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5377 on: March 31, 2013, 06:31:20 am »

Do you really not understand, or are you just trying to take the edge off?

I understood what you were saying, but not why.  My guess is the context of the image is mocking the average person's ridiculous level of misunderstanding of the issue, and I'm not sure why that would have an effect on your self-image.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5378 on: March 31, 2013, 06:34:38 am »

I'm guessing it would make sense for people who have watched the episode?
Does the character attempt some sort of transgender surgery and end up as a deformed shark person and that is the 'joke'? I mean I have heard people say south park is pretty left wing but evidently not.

South Park mocks everyone and everything without any leeway given to any political ideology.  It's rather good.

And no, he is turned into a dolphin because that is the way he feels on the inside.  He's always just known he was a dolphin, just like his son knew he was a black basketball player.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5379 on: March 31, 2013, 06:38:37 am »

That is pretty fucking offensive.
I actually feel bad right now for Ogdibus. I mean we had a nice little forum where a surprising number of people could be open about their sexuality where other places on the internet would chastise them and then BAM right in the humanity! Well it was nice while it lasted.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5380 on: March 31, 2013, 06:41:28 am »

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5381 on: March 31, 2013, 06:51:22 am »

Well... I think it is important to be able to laugh at ones self, but there is a difference between a joke and demonizing somebody.
People should be allowed to be sensitive to that sort of treatment, instead of this idea of an emotionless society where anything we don't like we just have to 'suck it up and deal with it', that sort of attitude can't be healthy, surly?

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5382 on: March 31, 2013, 06:53:21 am »

Nothing is sacred in comedy, either everything is fair game or nothing is.  There have been more than a few South Park episodes ripping in to groups I belong to, which is fine.  I'd also disagree that they demonised anyone in that particular episode.  Presenting a controversial viewpoint (which they may not even share, it isn't unknown for Matt and Trey to rip in to opposing sides of an issue) is a bit different to outright condemning people, and South Park always has it's tongue planted firmly in it's cheek.

To be completely honest, I find the very concept of transexuality really weird.  But I recognise that my finding it weird would be an absolutely terrible reason to discriminate or judge people, so I don't.  Many people find bisexuality and polyamory weird, so I'd have to be an utter hypocrite to expect people to accept my abnormalities while looking down upon other for theirs.  I can still find it weird though, that's not really something an individual can choose to stop.

They make fun of everyone that isn't them.  Two guys with no problems make fun of everyone else's problems.

They make fun of themselves an awful lot too.
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« Reply #5383 on: March 31, 2013, 06:58:21 am »

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5384 on: March 31, 2013, 07:01:30 am »

It's different when your "group" has no voice, no power, and no unity, and when the majority of people think you're a monstrosity/rapist, possibly including yourself.

If we're still talking solely about comedy/satire then I disagree.  Also I really don't think that the majority of people think all transfolk are rapists.  Where's that coming from?
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