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[MetalSlimeHunt]

I swear, it's like Santorum wants everyone to hate him. I can see the reactionary pro-English nonsense getting support, but openly opposing a statehood movement? That isn't going to set well with the vast majority of people.

[Nadaka]

An update on an issue I (and a few others) posted about back in Vectors thread:

The US pastor who crusaded against homosexuals in Uganda and inspired an attempt to set the death penalty for homosexual behavior is now facing a lawsuit for his involvement.

http://news.yahoo.com/lawsuit-us-pastor-runs-anti-gay-effort-uganda-190148480.html

[scriver]

Also on "anti gay efforts", did you know that from tomorrow and on, waving a rainbow flag in Saint Petersburgh might be counted as illegal? It's part off some new law against "gay propaganda".

[penguinofhonor]

How popular is the statehood movement in Puerto Rico? It's not something people talk about very often (though it's not surprising that as soon as something's brought up Santorum's views on it turn out to be horrible).

[Nadaka]

How popular is the statehood movement in Puerto Rico? It's not something people talk about very often (though it's not surprising that as soon as something's brought up Santorum's views on it turn out to be horrible).

In puerty rico, the support varies depending on how the question is asked. somewhere between 30% and 60% give or take. Its not just a question of "remain a territory" and "become a state". There are also movements for independence and commonwealth.

[kaijyuu]

I'd love for Puerto Rico to become a state, if just to see the racists recoil in horror.

Latin americans... err, I mean, "mexicans" gaining a state? How barbarous!


Plus 50 is a boring number.

[kaijyuu]

Single parenthood is apparently a form of child abuse, according to a Wisconsin senator.

[Levi]

Single parenthood is apparently a form of child abuse, according to a Wisconsin senator.

How the heck do these people get elected?  Between this and the "Whore Pill" thing yesterday my brain is starting to want to leak out my ears.

[fqllve]

State senator Glenn Grothman, an admitted opponent of the social welfare establishment that he believes encourages women to have children out of wedlock. . .

What...the...fuck.

Coming from a single parent household yes, it is a poor situation and is best for a child to have two present and loving parents, but speaking from my experience and the experience of other single parent people I know, in the majority of cases it's the father who made the decision to not have anything to do with the child.

On the other hand, single parenthood can be a contributing factor to abuse and neglect. It is much easier to abuse a child when you are their only supervision and it is much easier to get depressed and neglect your children when you have to raise them on your own. Somehow, I suspect Grothman isn't trying to get at that here, though.

[RedKing]

Just read about the "whore pill" thing. I'm increasingly thinking we need to talk Arizona into seceding as quickly as possible. And put up a border fence. Then when conservatives complain about how we do things here in "liberal-infested America" we can chuck 'em over the wall into Arpaiostan.

Also, someone needs to check Ms. Lesko's family records. If she doesn't have a dozen or more kids, I'm calling bullshit on this, because I'm betting her birth control is paid for by the Arizona taxpayers.

[kaijyuu]

On the other hand, single parenthood can be a contributing factor to abuse and neglect. It is much easier to abuse a child when you are their only supervision and it is much easier to get depressed and neglect your children when you have to raise them on your own. Somehow, I suspect Grothman isn't trying to get at that here, though.

It is a "contributing factor" as much as any other source of high stress, like say... financial situation. It is neither an excuse nor a proof of guilt.

Single parenthood ain't ideal. No one would argue against that. But it is not something to be demonized, either. The dude's intention obviously is to scare people; if you have sex, and your partner leaves you with a kid, you're contributing to child abuse. That train of logic is bullshit, not only because it'll do squat to prevent anything, but because it throws guilt on people not guilty of anything.

[RedKing]

On the other hand, single parenthood can be a contributing factor to abuse and neglect. It is much easier to abuse a child when you are their only supervision and it is much easier to get depressed and neglect your children when you have to raise them on your own. Somehow, I suspect Grothman isn't trying to get at that here, though.

It is a "contributing factor" as much as any other source of high stress, like say... financial situation. It is neither an excuse nor a proof of guilt.

Single parenthood ain't ideal. No one would argue against that. But it is not something to be demonized, either. The dude's intention obviously is to scare people; if you have sex, and your partner leaves you with a kid, you're contributing to child abuse. That train of logic is bullshit, not only because it'll do squat to prevent anything, but because it throws guilt on people not guilty of anything.

And because forcing two people who don't want to stay together to do so because of an unplanned child is a fantastic recipe for child abuse.

[fqllve]

It is a "contributing factor" as much as any other source of high stress, like say... financial situation. It is neither an excuse nor a proof of guilt.

I think in many states poor financial situation is considered a contributing factor to abuse. I'm not saying it's proof of guilt, but there is a higher rate of abuse and neglect among children of single parents and something needs to be done to provide these families support. Obviously, this bill doesn't have that goal in mind.

I think it's worth pointing out that it only becomes a contributing factor once abuse or neglect has already occured. It is neither proof of guilt nor warrant for suspicion.

Single parenthood ain't ideal. No one would argue against that. But it is not something to be demonized, either. The dude's intention obviously is to scare people; if you have sex, and your partner leaves you with a kid, you're contributing to child abuse. That train of logic is bullshit, not only because it'll do squat to prevent anything, but because it throws guilt on people not guilty of anything.

Actually, I think his intention is much worse. The wording of the bill states "nonmarital parenthood," which I suppose was used to include those sex-loving non-marrying hedonists and, of course, gay parents.

[Nadaka]

On the other hand, single parenthood can be a contributing factor to abuse and neglect. It is much easier to abuse a child when you are their only supervision and it is much easier to get depressed and neglect your children when you have to raise them on your own. Somehow, I suspect Grothman isn't trying to get at that here, though.

It is a "contributing factor" as much as any other source of high stress, like say... financial situation. It is neither an excuse nor a proof of guilt.

Single parenthood ain't ideal. No one would argue against that. But it is not something to be demonized, either. The dude's intention obviously is to scare people; if you have sex, and your partner leaves you with a kid, you're contributing to child abuse. That train of logic is bullshit, not only because it'll do squat to prevent anything, but because it throws guilt on people not guilty of anything.

And because forcing two people who don't want to stay together to do so because of an unplanned child is a fantastic recipe for child abuse.

Staying with an child abusing spouse contributes far more to child abuse and neglect than leaving a child abusing spouse.

[Scelly9]

Single parenthood ain't ideal. No one would argue against that. But it is not something to be demonized, either. The dude's intention obviously is to scare people; if you have sex, and your partner leaves you with a kid, you're contributing to child abuse. That train of logic is bullshit, not only because it'll do squat to prevent anything, but because it throws guilt on people not guilty of anything.

Actually, I think his intention is much worse. The wording of the bill states "nonmarital parenthood," which I suppose was used to include those sex-loving non-marrying hedonists and, of course, gay parents.

Yeesh. Never saw that wording.