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10ebbor10

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5055 on: March 22, 2013, 01:18:11 pm »

I just read the article from Richard Littlejohn. I wouldn't say he monstered her, even though he's been targeted more than anyone else. Don't get me wrong, I deeply dislike the man, I just think it's exaggeration and he's a bit of an easy target. He was out of line with his comments in my opinion (which basically consisted of calling her selfish), but he's entitled to them as much as you or I am.
He's not entitled to publish them in one of the most read papers/websites in britain though. That's an abuse of platform.
If it's an opinion piece, he kinda is. I haven't read the article, but as long as he doesn't say anything that's a blatant lie, or actively (attempts to) hurt the person, it's allowed.

Oh, and calling someone selfish doesn't fall under either of those.
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« Reply #5056 on: March 22, 2013, 01:19:25 pm »

I just read the article from Richard Littlejohn. I wouldn't say he monstered her, even though he's been targeted more than anyone else. Don't get me wrong, I deeply dislike the man, I just think it's exaggeration and he's a bit of an easy target. He was out of line with his comments in my opinion (which basically consisted of calling her selfish), but he's entitled to them as much as you or I am.
Well if you only read one article then it probably doesn't look like ongoing harassment...

I'd recommend this post.
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« Reply #5057 on: March 22, 2013, 01:33:49 pm »

I don't doubt that the tabloids have done a lot of damage to Ms. Meadows, I'm just saying it's wrong for the media to cannibalise Mr. Littlejohn just because he's such an easy target. It will distract us from the really horrible guys like the newspaper editors and men in suits with unvoiced opinions who run the show.

I can't believe I'm actually defending Richard Littlejohn. He's a guy who should have been turned into a harmonica-playing goomba a long time ago.
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« Reply #5058 on: March 22, 2013, 01:40:27 pm »

With respect to Littlejohn, if this is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back I won't be shedding a tear. He's been a toxic voice in the British media for decades, and if making an example of him will show that this kind of action is unacceptable then all the better.

It's not that he is the only one at fault, but I don't think there is a damned thing to be said in his defence here.
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« Reply #5059 on: March 22, 2013, 02:01:02 pm »

With respect to Littlejohn, if this is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back I won't be shedding a tear. He's been a toxic voice in the British media for decades, and if making an example of him will show that this kind of action is unacceptable then all the better.

It's not that he is the only one at fault, but I don't think there is a damned thing to be said in his defence here.

Other than in that particular article he just came across as a bit ignorant. It's not like he accused her of eating babies or something.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5060 on: March 22, 2013, 07:41:03 pm »

It is extremely important that journalists (and 'journalists') are free to publish articles containing viewpoints that I despise.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5061 on: March 22, 2013, 08:02:35 pm »

Evelyn Beatrice Hall: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5062 on: March 22, 2013, 08:03:12 pm »

Wow, all of this discussion sure is calm, cool, and progressive!
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« Reply #5063 on: March 22, 2013, 08:20:35 pm »

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« Reply #5064 on: March 22, 2013, 08:25:46 pm »

There are exceptions to free speech, some of which nearly everyone agrees are sensible and necessary. (Incitement, child pornography ...)
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5065 on: March 22, 2013, 08:32:49 pm »

True liberty is simply a state of anarchy, and that is just impractical and not realistic.
If the one rule is no rules, how are you going to enforce it?
But that is a whole other can of worms. Restrictions on free speech outlined above make perfect sense.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5066 on: March 22, 2013, 08:40:41 pm »

I don't think he or anyone in the same position should be arrested for his speech and/or press (I.E. government action), but I think he should be at least able to be sued by a private citizen if they feel he caused distress... Or, you know, drove someone to suicide. >_>

Though, of course, lawsuits are settled in public court... I.E. government decision.

(It feels WEIRD to be on the side of "Get the government out" (or at least, "Keep the government out.")
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5067 on: March 22, 2013, 08:48:53 pm »

Yeah I don't think any government action should be taken against him but he deserves to lose his job for being generally terrible.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5068 on: March 22, 2013, 08:55:54 pm »

As I said, turn him into a harmonica playing goomba.
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« Reply #5069 on: March 22, 2013, 10:06:54 pm »

As I said, turn him into a harmonica playing goomba.

We would but since devolution doesn't exist we can't go Super Mario movie on him. We can only burn him as a witch.
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