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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1287206 times)

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1875 on: June 18, 2012, 02:31:30 am »

Supporting their right to exist and freedom to say what they want, not supporting their ideas.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1876 on: June 18, 2012, 02:32:21 am »

They're not supporting Sharia4Belgium, their slogan was actually something like "From Sharia4Belgium to Nation, let's fight against all Fascisms!". Bashing "Islamist Fascism" is the polite way of being an islamophobe around here.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1877 on: June 18, 2012, 02:43:09 am »

"Polite" meaning you only threaten the local Muslims instead of outright assaulting them.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1878 on: June 18, 2012, 02:47:28 am »

Yup. Like the English Defense League, that attacked Islamic Fascism with slogan like "Mohammed is a pedo(phile". Totally not against normal muslim, just against Islamic Fascism.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1879 on: June 18, 2012, 02:55:12 am »

We get the same thing here in the States. People pretending to be politically correct will go on about "creeping Sharia" and other such nonsense.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1880 on: June 18, 2012, 08:09:31 am »

Yup. Like the English Defense League, that attacked Islamic Fascism with slogan like "Mohammed is a pedo(phile". Totally not against normal muslim, just against Islamic Fascism.

Mohamed was a pedophile, that is what you get called when you sleep with a 9 year old girl.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1881 on: June 18, 2012, 08:27:58 am »

Just because delusional far-right individuals are bigoted against Muslims does not automatically mean that radical Islamists are not a problem.

As for Mohamed, trying to keep the relevance of people who lived centuries ago alive is a problem endemic to the supposed moral high ground of more than just Islam. This isn't a problem with non-religious historical figures because people don't act like they were paragons of moral fortitude blessed by a timeless transcendent power, where as the opposite is not true. To give another example, Jesus endorsed slavery.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1882 on: June 18, 2012, 08:36:49 am »

I think we may be missing the point of the original post.

The leftists weren't supporting Sharia, and whether or not Mohammed was a pedophile is completely tangential to the police siding with the bigoted scum.
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« Reply #1883 on: June 18, 2012, 09:38:55 am »

MSH: We never said radical islmaism wasn't a problem, just that those people use the fight against radical islam as a polite way to hide their racism against ordinary muslim. And don't tell me I'm strawmanning them, those guys from Nation are known to do nazi salute and shout "Heil Hitler!" during demosntration. They're reacist, and that's it.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1884 on: June 18, 2012, 09:51:22 am »

The police shouldn't be "siding" with anyone. This would be just as horrific if the tables were flipped.

Is there a writeup on what instigated the scuffle? I find it doubtful that two peaceful protests would get cops raining down on them.
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« Reply #1885 on: June 18, 2012, 10:11:17 am »

Have you watched the video I posted? The protesters were trying to go through a subway station, the police waited for the subway to arrive, told the driver to keep the door locked and charged the protesters.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1886 on: June 18, 2012, 10:38:45 am »

Isn't it interesting how "religious freedom" doesn't apply to "other people?" Pretty much no matter what religion you like, there's somebody in yours somewhere that's saying that. Except maybe Buddhists, long as you don't mess up their Buddha Idols or obstruct their path to nirvana, they're pretty ok with whatever. Buddhists: they'll usually set themselves on fire before firing at you....

I honestly really like most Buddhists I've met.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1887 on: June 18, 2012, 10:39:42 am »

Yeah there is an investigation pending, we won't let that one slip out. If they didn't had any special circumstance going on for them, and I don't think they did, we must have the head of the guy ordering the charge.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1888 on: June 18, 2012, 11:00:28 am »

Your avatar seems fitting for that last sentence.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #1889 on: June 18, 2012, 12:58:16 pm »

Have you watched the video I posted? The protesters were trying to go through a subway station, the police waited for the subway to arrive, told the driver to keep the door locked and charged the protesters.
It's hard to understand what's going on if you can't understand the language :(
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